Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Maxthon Chan
How about this copyleft clause for 2BSDL or 3BSDL (that is, add this clause into the existing clauses of 2BSDL or 3BSDL to make it copyleft) with a rewritten clause 2 and a new clause 3 (3BSDL’s clause 3 get bumped to clause 4 in this case) 2. Redistributions in binary form of this work or any

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread John Cowan
Tim Makarios scripsit: 50 words. It doesn't require making the source code available, but recipients of binaries will always be free to make derivative works by reverse engineering the binaries. It does make itself incompatible with other copyleft licences, though, which seems difficult to

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Tzeng, Nigel H. (nigel.tz...@jhuapl.edu): Or perhaps they simply wish software licenses were as easy to understand and use as the creative commons ones. Yes, it's common to wish that highly technical fields (such as law) were simple. Very small benefit, large downside as shown by

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Maxthon Chan
Hmm… Would OSI itself be such an organisation? Since my personal preference of BSDL, I would like to see people writing BSDL-like clauses for different purposes (like my proposed BSDL-like copyleft clause) and a developer can just cherry-pick license features they want by choosing individual

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Maxthon Chan
I have a gut feeling that this thread have somewhat common point as my “simple English BSD equivalent” thread as there are just too many politics and complexities involved in those licenses and engineers, being not-so-professional in law, gets confused easily. I still remembered my days

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 3/31/15, 1:59 PM, Maxthon Chan xcvi...@me.com wrote: I have a gut feeling that this thread have somewhat common point as my ³simple English BSD equivalent² thread as there are just too many politics and complexities involved in those licenses and engineers, being not-so-professional in law,

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
On 3/30/15, 10:00 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote: It's an object lesson in why coders should not attempt to draft what are often on this mailing list termed 'crayon licences'. A broader point: The quest for the shortest possible licence (of whatever category) strikes me as solving the

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Daunevin Janz
please remove or do not e mail daunevin, he is no longer with us. On 30-Mar-15, at 10:54 AM, Daunevin Janz wrote: On 30-Mar-15, at 1:40 AM, Tim Makarios wrote: I posted this question to the contact form at opensource.org, which sent me an automated response suggesting (among other things)

Re: [License-discuss] Shortest copyleft licence

2015-03-31 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tim Makarios tjm1...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't require making the source code available, but recipients of binaries will always be free to make derivative works by reverse engineering the binaries. That seems like a non-starter to me. It violates both the OSD