Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
[Snipping the recap and same old, same old]
> There is actually good reason to pay attention to the FSF on this
> issue.
Ahem.
Well, I have great respect for many of the people in FSF, but they have
a long history of asserting what they would like to be the
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
>
>> According to my recollection, she was definitely of the opinion that
>> her statements about whether the license should be enforceable at all
>> helped sway the judge to the position that it should be.
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
> (Note that Robert Jacobsen's state of mind was never a relevant
> question.
Excuse me, but please see previous analysis of what a judge will
logically and relevantly consider in determining what a software
licensor intends, and why, in cases where that is f
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
>
>> For example I point to the efforts of Allison Randal of The Perl
>> Foundation in the case Jacobsen v. Katzer in litigation regarding the
>> Artistic License.
>
> And, just another little point. You _a
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
> According to my recollection, she was definitely of the opinion that
> her statements about whether the license should be enforceable at all
> helped sway the judge to the position that it should be.
I'm pretty sure you have changed the subject.
If your as
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
>
>> This may be true, but there are many cases where someone who in some
>> way represents the drafter of a boilerplate legal vehicle filed an
>> amicus brief that was given due weight by a judge.
>
> On wha
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
> For example I point to the efforts of Allison Randal of The Perl
> Foundation in the case Jacobsen v. Katzer in litigation regarding the
> Artistic License.
And, just another little point. You _are_ aware that Randal, despite
her many accomplishments, was
Quoting Ben Tilly (bti...@gmail.com):
> This may be true, but there are many cases where someone who in some
> way represents the drafter of a boilerplate legal vehicle filed an
> amicus brief that was given due weight by a judge.
On what question, though? That matters, nei?
Upthread, Matthew s
I will again.
/Larry
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
>> And who does OSI suggest
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Matthew Flaschen (matthew.flasc...@gatech.edu):
>
>> Possibly, if the court decides the license is ambiguous. They might
>> look to the preamble, as well as the licensor's statements (as you said,
>> the licensor is often not the license
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
>> And who does OSI suggest that any of us listen to on an important FOSS
>> combination/project like this one?
Are you suggesting OSI should give legal advice, Larry? :)
The advice I have given clients in the past is to listen to the
copyright
Rick Moen scripsit:
> (There are exceptional situations such as cases covered by the Statute
> of Frauds. If you want to endure a really boring one-hour lecture, ask
> a legal expert to explain that for you. If that's not enough masochism
> for one day, follow up with a request for something abo
Quoting Matthew Flaschen (matthew.flasc...@gatech.edu):
> Possibly, if the court decides the license is ambiguous. They might
> look to the preamble, as well as the licensor's statements (as you said,
> the licensor is often not the license drafter).
>
> But I think it's reasonable to think they
On 06/26/2013 03:48 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> For a given copyrighted property or set of properties, a court is going
> to be looking to determine the licensors' actions (what they have
> permitted and subject to what conditions), and be primarily guided in
> the case of a written licence by the licen
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com):
> WHICH of the licensors do you look to?
>
> For example, Mr. Satyanarayana plans to combine (in some way) Apache 2.0 and
> GPLv3 code under a GPLv2 license. Apache licensors say "That's wonderful! Go
> ahead and do that!" The GPLv2 authors -- not a
Rick Moen wrote:
> For a given copyrighted property or set of properties, a court is
> going to be looking to determine the licensors' actions (what they
> have permitted and subject to what conditions), and be primarily
> guided in the case of a written licence by the licence text, and to
> so
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