Re: [alexb@ufl.edu: Re: support requirement]

1999-08-31 Thread Chris F Clark
I don't see any gotcha. I would probably not need Vendor X's documentation and/or output to reimplement the program. You might if they were sufficiently clever. I can think of several pieces of software where the vendor has managed to implement something in a non-obvious way that has

Re: support requirement

1999-08-31 Thread Seth David Schoen
VAB writes: [...] I've been wondering about dual licensing for some time now. The example that brought it to my attention was the PHP licensing. PHP consists of an interpreted programming languages (much like perl), and a run time for that interpreter. When you download PHP from

support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread bruce
Vendor X plans on releasing software as Open Source. X makes a number of very interesting and useful research-derived programs, and also runs an ISO-9000-certified software development shop. Their ISO certification requires that they run only supported programs, and thus the development shop is

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vendor X plans on releasing software as Open Source. X makes a number of very interesting and useful research-derived programs, and also runs an ISO-9000-certified software development shop. Their ISO certification requires that they run only supported programs, and

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
department. Thus, one of X's _main_goals_ in making the software Open Source is that commercial vendors pick it up and _provide_support_ for it. Thus, their license requires that if you distribute a derived work of their program _and_ you provide support on reasonably comparable programs,

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Dj
VAB wrote: A fact rarely mentioned on the list is that release under a license other than the GPL brings with it the danger that the software product will be reimplemented under the GPL. This is likely if Vendor X releases under a license which is unattractive due to say, required support

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Dj
"Forrest J. Cavalier III" wrote: department. Thus, one of X's _main_goals_ in making the software Open Source is that commercial vendors pick it up and _provide_support_ for it. Thus, their license requires that if you distribute a derived work of their program _and_ you provide

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread bruce
It's true, though - not just a threat. If you don't go Open Source, someone else will do it for you, and there are lots of examples. While I'd not explain this to someone in terms of a threat, it is a _fact_ they must confront. Thanks Bruce From: Dj [EMAIL PROTECTED] That

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Dj writes: VAB wrote: A fact rarely mentioned on the list is that release under a license other than the GPL brings with it the danger that the software product will be reimplemented under the GPL. This is likely if Vendor X releases under a license which is unattractive due to say,

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
Dj writes: DEVILSADVOCATE [...] So, I'm Vendor Q. I have a working product and I make money from it. "Hey, GPL your product" says a section of the community (not necessarily my customers). "Why?" ask I. "Well, if you don't do it then we'll do it for you" comes the response. "So why

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread Dj
Seth David Schoen wrote: This can be put a little less harshly. I did have my DEVILSADVOCATE tags on B) The canonical comment that I think of on this subject is Jamie Zawinski's phrase "magic pixie dust". http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nomo.html Just because something is released

[alexb@ufl.edu: Re: support requirement]

1999-08-30 Thread Chris F Clark
In a perfect world I would get to work with all free software. I don't want to work with code unless it's free. If I need code and the only code out there is available under Vendor X's license and I have the time and ability to reimplement that code and place it under the GPL, I will do it.

Re: [alexb@ufl.edu: Re: support requirement]

1999-08-30 Thread VAB
Chris F Clark wrote: In a perfect world I would get to work with all free software. I don't want to work with code unless it's free. If I need code and the only code out there is available under Vendor X's license and I have the time and ability to reimplement that code and place it

Re: support requirement

1999-08-30 Thread bruce
For the vendor it's really a choice of "go Open Source or lose _everything_". If you GPL your product, you can probably still make money from it using commercial licenses. If someone else clones your product, it's GPL-ed anyway, plus you have a new competitor who wouldn't have been there