Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants

2023-09-11 Thread Antoine Riard
Hi John, Thanks for the proposal, few feedback after a first look. > If Bitcoin and Lightning are to become widely-used, they will have to be > adopted by casual users who want to send and receive bitcoin, but > who do > not want to go to any effort in order to provide the infrastructure for

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants

2023-09-11 Thread Rusty Russell
Hi! I've read the start of the paper on my vacation, and am still digesting it. But even so far, it presents some delightful possibilities. As with some other proposals, it's worth noting that the cost of enforcement is dramatically increased. It's no longer one or two txs, it's 10+.

[Lightning-dev] CLBOSS v0.13 aka "Born to Run" Release

2023-09-11 Thread Vincenzo Palazzo
Hi all, We've tagged the first release of CLBOSS [1] that is now compliant with modern CLN versions. This was primarily a "bring back to life" effort. Special thanks to Ken who took the initiative to revive the work on this project. [1] https://github.com/ZmnSCPxj/clboss/releases/tag/v0.13

Re: [Lightning-dev] Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants

2023-09-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 06:54:46PM +, jlspc via Lightning-dev wrote: > TL;DR > = I haven't really digested this, but I think there's a trust vs capital-efficiency tradeoff here that's worth extracting. Suppose you have a single UTXO, that's claimable by "B" at time T+L, but at time T

Re: [Lightning-dev] Remotely control your lightning node from your favorite HSM

2023-09-11 Thread Rusty Russell
Runes today are often bound to the BOLT8 nodeid, giving both (otherwise you need to protect your rune from being read). I like this model *but* it requires two-way comms for setup (the HSM tells the node its id, the node gives the HSM the rune). Fortunately, it's trivial to support runes as an