Re: Why does the build assume that it's in $HOME/src?

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 03:35:12PM +1100, Joe Neeman wrote: > and I find the following: > $ file out/share/lilypond/current/scm > out/share/lilypond/current/scm: broken symbolic link to > `/home/jneeman/src/lilypond//scm' Sorry! I forgot to comment out some lines before pushing my latest work on

Why does the build assume that it's in $HOME/src?

2009-12-26 Thread Joe Neeman
>From a clean git clone (43a2f7a609ed14a1), I do $ ./autogen.sh --enable-debugging --disable-optimising $ make and I find the following: $ file out/share/lilypond/current/scm out/share/lilypond/current/scm: broken symbolic link to `/home/jneeman/src/lilypond//scm' The problem is that my lilypond

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/26/09 7:14 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > Carl Sorensen wrote: >> Have you considered whether "Using Git" should be an >> appendix? To the extent that it's teaching about git, >> rather than about LilyPond, it might belong in an >> appendix. >> >> Maybe there should be a chapter called so

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread David R. Linn
>> Did the old and new lists had exactly the same purpose? This would be >> the case for lilyond-user-fr and lilypond-fr. Two of the old lists were exactly replaced by new lists. The other two old lists (help- and -discuss) were essentially merged to create the -user list. The -devel list was c

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > Have you considered whether "Using Git" should be an > appendix? To the extent that it's teaching about git, > rather than about LilyPond, it might belong in an > appendix. > > Maybe there should be a chapter called something like > "Contributing patches" that mentions all t

anybody know autogen.sh ?

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
I'm getting weird autogen-related errors in GUB, which is puzzling, since I can't think of any recent futzing around with autogen.sh (either in the GUB git tree or in lilypond itself). I then tried making sure that I can do autogen.sh in a plain old out-of-tree build, but it fails. It's obvious w

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Mark Polesky
> lily-git > lily-git-gui > lily-gitg > lily-gitp > lilygit > lilylibrarian > lilypond-git > lilysourcesafe > lysourcestore > lycodemanager Here are some more (I prefer `lilypatch'): develypond easiLY easylily lilyfix lilypatch lydev simplily simpLY - Mark

out-of-tree fr doc build failure

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
writing: /main/src/build-lilypond/./out-www/xref-maps/usage.fr.xref-map touch -r out-www/usage.texi /main/src/build-lilypond/./out-www/xref-maps/usage.fr.xref-map cp -p web.texi out-www/web.texi cp: cannot stat `web.texi': No such file or directory make[3]: *** [out-www/web.texi] Error 1 make[3]: L

Re: Essay status

2009-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/27 Andrew Hawryluk : > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Graham Percival > wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 06:18:13PM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: >>> What's the completion status of the essay? Are at least some chapters >>> stabilized enough so that they can be translated, reusing tran

Re: Essay status

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 16:13 -0700, Andrew Hawryluk a écrit : > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Graham Percival > wrote: >> > Probably not stable enough to translate, but getting close. (I'm > assuming that the translators would not want any changes to the > English version once they star

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/26/09 3:57 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > 2009/12/26 John Mandereau : >> Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 12:27 -0700, Carl Sorensen a écrit : >>> Shall we change the name to 'lilygit', or 'lilypond-git', or 'lily-git'? >>> >>> I think there *has* to be a better name than lilycontrib. >> >

Re: Essay status

2009-12-26 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 06:18:13PM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: >> What's the completion status of the essay?  Are at least some chapters >> stabilized enough so that they can be translated, reusing translations >> of former Chapter 1 Intr

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
2009/12/26 John Mandereau : > Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 22:57 +, Graham Percival a écrit : >> Or just "lily-git" ?  I don't follow the "porcelain" joke...? > > This is not a joke, this is the official name for Git user front-ends. I... see. A few minutes of googling shows that you're indee

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 22:57 +, Graham Percival a écrit : > Or just "lily-git" ? I don't follow the "porcelain" joke...? This is not a joke, this is the official name for Git user front-ends. Sorry for not joking :-) John signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numé

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/26 John Mandereau : > Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 22:14 +0100, Francisco Vila a écrit : >> I agree (not fully happily) on lilypond-users-es, with an English word >> on the name and a different name wrt our existing list, which is not >> too old, after all. > > You gave good reasons for not

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
2009/12/26 John Mandereau : > Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 12:27 -0700, Carl Sorensen a écrit : >> Shall we change the name to 'lilygit', or 'lilypond-git', or 'lily-git'? >> >> I think there *has* to be a better name than lilycontrib. > > What about lily-git-gui, lily-gitg, lily-gitp ("p" for porc

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 12:27 -0700, Carl Sorensen a écrit : > Shall we change the name to 'lilygit', or 'lilypond-git', or 'lily-git'? > > I think there *has* to be a better name than lilycontrib. What about lily-git-gui, lily-gitg, lily-gitp ("p" for porcelain ;-)? Best, John signature.

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 14:13 -0600, David R. Linn a écrit : > As I recall, the "plan" in the migration from the GMP lists to the > LilyPond lists was to annnounce the new lists and deprecate the old > lists in one stable release and kill off the old lists with the > *following* stable release

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
2009/12/26 John Mandereau : > Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 20:58 +, Graham Percival a écrit : >> John, please decide to go with lilypond-user-es.  Once you've >> decided that, I'll make the list, and this task will be done. > > I won't decide to go with lilypond-user-es, as grounds give by Fran

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 22:17 +0100, Francisco Vila a écrit : > And of course I'd like _very_ much to have the word 'español' which is > the Spanish for 'Spanish' into the short description [when technically > available] I'm afraid this is out of our control; we can't kidnap gnu.org admins. I

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Ian Hulin
On 26/12/09 19:27, Carl Sorensen wrote: Shall we change the name to 'lilygit', or 'lilypond-git', or 'lily-git'? I think there *has* to be a better name than lilycontrib. lilylibrarian, lilysourcesafe , lysourcestore, lycodemanager ? Cheers, Ian __

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 22:14 +0100, Francisco Vila a écrit : > I agree (not fully happily) on lilypond-users-es, with an English word > on the name and a different name wrt our existing list, which is not > too old, after all. You gave good reasons for not putting -users in the name, so I do

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 20:58 +, Graham Percival a écrit : > That's a good point. I mean, if somebody submits a bug report to > the es list, presumably somebody would translate it and send it to > the bug-lilypond list. Sure, this has already happen with the French-speaking Lily communit

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/26 Francisco Vila : > 2009/12/26 Graham Percival : >> John, please decide to go with lilypond-user-es. Once you've >> decided that, I'll make the list, and this task will be done. > > I agree (not fully happily) on lilypond-users-es, with an English word > on the name and a different name

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/26 Graham Percival : > John, please decide to go with lilypond-user-es. Once you've > decided that, I'll make the list, and this task will be done. I agree (not fully happily) on lilypond-users-es, with an English word on the name and a different name wrt our existing list, which is not t

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 08:23:42PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: > 2009/12/26 Valentin Villenave : > > 2009/12/26 John Mandereau : > >>> Should we ask the -user-fr > >>> people to accept a name change to lilypond-fr ? > >> > >> This is perfectly acceptable, and I think a confirmation of Valentin,

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread David R. Linn
>> I should be more comfortable having lilypond-es and lilypond-user-fr >> than forcing a rename of the fr list. I am also willing to go on with >> lilypond-user-es if regularity over names is so much important, but >> probably -utilisateurs or -fr alone would have been better from the >> begninnin

Re: Make define-builtin-markup{,-list}-command #:category #:properties keywords (issue160048)

2009-12-26 Thread ian
David, These are mostly stylistic nit-picks. I'd like the section to state clearly the relationship between Lilypond scoping and the guile module system. Cheers, Ian http://codereview.appspot.com/160048/diff/13001/13002 File Documentation/contributor/programming-work.itexi (left): http://cod

lilycontrib

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
We recently had some discussion about the directory for the local repository. Currently, lilycontrib uses ~/lilypond/, which may conflict with an installed LilyPond directory. Should we change the directory to ~/lilypond-git, or ~/lilypond-src? It's trivial to do in lilycontrib. Thanks, Carl

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/26/09 10:30 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:13:32PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote: > >> 2. Using the `lilycontrib' GUI >> 3. Using Git > > I think these should be one chapter. > > 2. Source code > 2.1 Using lilycontrib > 2.2 Using git Shall we change the name

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/12/26 Valentin Villenave : > 2009/12/26 John Mandereau : >>> Should we ask the -user-fr >>> people to accept a name change to lilypond-fr ? >> >> This is perfectly acceptable, and I think a confirmation of Valentin, >> the other administrator, will be enough to decide to request it to >> Sav

Re: New LilyPond Spanish Users list at GNU

2009-12-26 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/12/26 John Mandereau : >>   Should we ask the -user-fr >> people to accept a name change to lilypond-fr ? > > This is perfectly acceptable, and I think a confirmation of Valentin, > the other administrator, will be enough to decide to request it to > Savannah hackers.  If this happens, we shou

Re: Fix CG description of module system

2009-12-26 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> I really don't think a turnaround time of weeks for things >> like that, taking an order of magnitude more of time, >> effort, and spirit than actually writing the improvement, >> contributes much to development. > > Hmm. Me neither. Is there somet

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/26/09 10:18 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 09:04:29PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> >> On 12/25/09 8:13 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: >> >>> Carl Sorensen wrote:> As I think more about this, I wonder if there should >>> be >>> a short and sweet summary for ex

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 5:18 PM I like this idea, but I'm not certain if we all have the same idea. Here's the idea that I like: 1. introduction 1.1 help us: duplicate material from website 1.2 summary for unix developers: 2-3 paragraphs. We use git, the docs are

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:13:32PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote: > I feel that it has taken me longer than it should have to > get familiar with some of the basics of compiling, so this > text would ideally reduce the confusion time for new > developers. Based on all my experience at doc restructurin

Re: Essay status

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 06:18:13PM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: > What's the completion status of the essay? Are at least some chapters > stabilized enough so that they can be translated, reusing translations > of former Chapter 1 Introduction of the Learning Manual and the Essay on > the old webs

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 09:04:29PM -0700, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 12/25/09 8:13 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > > > Carl Sorensen wrote:> As I think more about this, I wonder if there should > > be > > a > >> short and sweet summary for experienced Linux developers, > >> followed by a gentle (a

Essay status

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Hi Andrew, What's the completion status of the essay? Are at least some chapters stabilized enough so that they can be translated, reusing translations of former Chapter 1 Introduction of the Learning Manual and the Essay on the old website? I can't figure it out myself from Git history. In the

Re: Fix CG description of module system

2009-12-26 Thread Mark Polesky
David Kastrup wrote: > I really don't think a turnaround time of weeks for things > like that, taking an order of magnitude more of time, > effort, and spirit than actually writing the improvement, > contributes much to development. Hmm. Me neither. Is there something that would make it easier f

Re: Fix CG description of module system

2009-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:03:56PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > David Kastrup wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:55 AM > >> I really don't think a turnaround time of weeks for things like that, >> taking an order of magnitude more of time, effort, and spirit than >> actually writing the improv

Re: tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread demery
>> Actually, thinking about this some more, do ottava >> symbols make any sense in tablature? none at all. tablature tells you where to put your fingers to get the notes, not what notes need playing. -- Dana Emery ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lil

Re: tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread James Bailey
On 26.12.2009, at 13:38, Trevor Daniels wrote: Trevor Daniels wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:24 PM James Bailey wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:51 AM Are the ottava symbols an intentional omission from tabFullNotation? I couldn't find any documentation on the function. Not as fa

Re: tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:24 PM James Bailey wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:51 AM Are the ottava symbols an intentional omission from tabFullNotation? I couldn't find any documentation on the function. Not as far as I know. I'll add them (unless someone sho

Re: tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
James Bailey wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:51 AM Are the ottava symbols an intentional omission from tabFullNotation? I couldn't find any documentation on the function. Not as far as I know. I'll add them (unless someone shouts quickly). Trevor _

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/26/09 1:59 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > I also find cherry-picking to be a useful alternative > to rebasing, especially with the beautifully simple > interface in gitk. Perhaps this could have a brief > explanation, as the man pages are so confusing. I typically do the following:

Re: Fix CG description of module system

2009-12-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:55 AM I posted this patch already several days ago without any feedback, so I tried uploading it on Rietveld in order to get a better reaction. A bit of a nuisance how much work it is to get even trivial doc improvements accepted. Thanks Da

Lilypond on OSX Snow Leopard

2009-12-26 Thread Hans
Hi there, I just tried the version 2.12.3-1 which you recommand for MacOSX Intel 10.4 on my 10.6 Snow Leopard and it works very fine! The first time I tried to typset a file nothing happend. I quit Lilypond and tried again, and it worked and since then every file works very time excellent. So

Re: [patch] create xrefs from .tely

2009-12-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 26 décembre 2009 à 02:32 +, Graham Percival a écrit : > The attached patch lets me build xrefs by looking at > Documentation/*.tely > directly, instead of looking at the corresponding > Documentation/out-www/*.texi > files. > > This would be very nice for the website, since we ca

Fix CG description of module system

2009-12-26 Thread David Kastrup
I posted this patch already several days ago without any feedback, so I tried uploading it on Rietveld in order to get a better reaction. A bit of a nuisance how much work it is to get even trivial doc improvements accepted. Unfortunately, my lack of expertise made it end up in a previous issue.

tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread James Bailey
Are the ottava symbols an intentional omission from tabFullNotation? I couldn't find any documentation on the function. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

tabFullNotation and ottava

2009-12-26 Thread James Bailey
Are the ottava symbols an intentional omission from tabFullNotation? I couldn't find any documentation on the function. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: improving the CG

2009-12-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:13 AM Carl Sorensen wrote: As I think more about this, I wonder if there should be a short and sweet summary for experienced Linux developers, followed by a gentle (and longer) introduction for the Windows guys. Actually, I'm thinking there sh