Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/7/14 Frédéric Bron : > I also read the proposed ideas in "notes about solution.txt" but I > admit that it is difficult to understand for a novice to the lilypond > C++ code. However, thanks for having written all this, I am sure it > will become clearer later. Since i've been thinking about t

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
> Could you take a look at readme.txt in Dropbox folder and confirm that > it explains the > issue? Yes, I started from there. I also read the proposed ideas in "notes about solution.txt" but I admit that it is difficult to understand for a novice to the lilypond C++ code. However, thanks for hav

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/7/14 Frédéric Bron : >> Of course not! This is just a simulation of a wider spacing. >> Is this clearer now? > > That's fine now. Thanks, > Frédéric Could you take a look at readme.txt in Dropbox folder and confirm that it explains the issue? Other people might have similar questions. than

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
Frédéric Bron writes: [...] >> We have very few high-quality developers with significant resources >> for working on LilyPond, and minimal peer review. As a result, any >> particularly complex task is very likely to be implemented in a quite >> suboptimal and underdocumented manner and with cod

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
> Of course not! This is just a simulation of a wider spacing. > Is this clearer now? That's fine now. Thanks, Frédéric ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
>> I see that boost is not used. Is it deliberate? These are c++03 >> libraries and most of them have been the source of the new standard. > > "source of standard" means that they are liable to change particularly > in the course of becoming part of a standard. I use boost every day for my profess

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
immanuel litzroth writes: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> immanuel litzroth writes: >> >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> > >> >> They are also humongous, which means a quite larger amount of work >> >> for GUB. >> >> >> > What do you mea

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread immanuel litzroth
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > immanuel litzroth writes: > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > > > >> They are also humongous, which means a quite larger amount of work > >> for GUB. > >> > > What do you mean with humongous? Boost is large becaus

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
immanuel litzroth writes: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> They are also humongous, which means a quite larger amount of work >> for GUB. >> > What do you mean with humongous? Boost is large because it has a lot > of stuff. What's your point? "has a lot of stuff" is

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread immanuel litzroth
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Frédéric Bron writes: > > >> Change them so that they will fail using anything but C++11? That > >> sounds like it would not buy us anything but trouble at the current > >> point of time. > > > > OK, I forget that. > > I see that boost is

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
Frédéric Bron writes: >> Change them so that they will fail using anything but C++11? That >> sounds like it would not buy us anything but trouble at the current >> point of time. > > OK, I forget that. > I see that boost is not used. Is it deliberate? These are c++03 > libraries and most of the

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/7/14 Frédéric Bron : >>> I see this in your "bad" examples of ties: >>> d'4~ s4 d' s2 e'4~ s4 e' s >>> >>> How do you justify that this should work with non logical spacers included? >> >> What do you mean by "non logical spacers"? I don't quite understand >> this question. > > I mean why wou

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
>> I see this in your "bad" examples of ties: >> d'4~ s4 d' s2 e'4~ s4 e' s >> >> How do you justify that this should work with non logical spacers included? > > What do you mean by "non logical spacers"? I don't quite understand > this question. I mean why would you write d'4~ s4 d' in real life

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Frederic, 2013/7/14 Frédéric Bron : > Hi Janek, > > I see this in your "bad" examples of ties: > d'4~ s4 d' s2 e'4~ s4 e' s > > How do you justify that this should work with non logical spacers included? What do you mean by "non logical spacers"? I don't quite understand this question. > I t

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
> Change them so that they will fail using anything but C++11? That > sounds like it would not buy us anything but trouble at the current > point of time. OK, I forget that. I see that boost is not used. Is it deliberate? These are c++03 libraries and most of them have been the source of the new

Re: Tie Crusade

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
Hi Janek, I see this in your "bad" examples of ties: d'4~ s4 d' s2 e'4~ s4 e' s How do you justify that this should work with non logical spacers included? I tried to replace this with logical spacers and do not get any issue: << { > \repeat unfold 8 { d''8[ d''] } } \\ { d'4~ d' e'4~

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
Frédéric Bron writes: > Hi, > > g++ defaults to the C++ standard of 2003. 2 years ago a new standard > has been published with a log of improvements. > Today the g++ commands in the build process of lilypond do not specify > any standard so that it defaults to c++03. > Could we switch to c++11?

Re: Backtrace from LilyPond crashing while running make doc

2013-07-14 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Backtrace from LilyPond crashing while running make doc "Phil Holmes" writes: As I've said earlier, I consistently get a crash trying to make doc, and the crash continues to occur whils

Re: Backtrace from LilyPond crashing while running make doc

2013-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > As I've said earlier, I consistently get a crash trying to make doc, > and the crash continues to occur whilst making the preview of > orchestra.ly. I've followed David's instructions and created the > attached backtrace. This was created using ../configure > --disable-o

Re: upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread immanuel litzroth
> > g++ defaults to the C++ standard of 2003. 2 years ago a new standard > has been published with a log of improvements. > We've been using selected features from C++11 for a while now, and we are very happy with the improvements. Features like strongly typed enums are worth the switch alone. To

Backtrace from LilyPond crashing while running make doc

2013-07-14 Thread Phil Holmes
As I've said earlier, I consistently get a crash trying to make doc, and the crash continues to occur whilst making the preview of orchestra.ly. I've followed David's instructions and created the attached backtrace. This was created using ../configure --disable-optimising (the same happens wit

upgrade to c++11

2013-07-14 Thread Frédéric Bron
Hi, g++ defaults to the C++ standard of 2003. 2 years ago a new standard has been published with a log of improvements. Today the g++ commands in the build process of lilypond do not specify any standard so that it defaults to c++03. Could we switch to c++11? I suspect that a test would be require

2.17.22

2013-07-14 Thread Phil Holmes
I've built the release and copied the Windows installer to my windows box, and confirmed that this does not crash with the Issue 3432 test case. I'll be uploading the build later this afternoon, when I don't need my internet bandwidth. -- Phil Holmes ___