Re: non web_version of web.texi ?

2020-07-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:26:46AM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Just for clarity, I'm not against having web.texi as an info file or > PDF file. It's just that I want to get rid of the special casing of > web_version, which (when switched) off produces a doc with less links. Ah sorry, it's bee

Re: non web_version of web.texi ?

2020-07-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 10:38:50PM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > is there any other function of web.texi besides producing the > lilypond.org website? I would like to get rid of the "-D web_version" > distinction, that is making web_version always be true for the web > document. Is there any rea

Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?]

2020-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 11:41:11PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > Within 2-3 weeks, I had squandered all of the good feelings and energy > > sparked from that meeting. I view that as my worst blunder from all > > my years of involvement with Lily

Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?]

2020-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 07:21:30PM +, Trevor wrote: > Phil Holmes wrote 08/02/2020 17:24:56 > Subject: Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?] > > > - Original Message - From: "Karlin High" > > However, I'd like to hear from David Kastrup and James Lowe first. To me, > > >

Re: ’Pond Jobs & Their Descriptions

2020-02-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 09:24:37PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Job: Patch Formatter > Tasks: Ensure that a submitted patch conforms to the Lilypond code standards > (found and and ). > Requirements: a text editor; working knowledge of the programming language(s) > used in a given patch (po

Re: development process

2020-02-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 08:59:33PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > LilyPond has had a lot of patches get dropped because > > nobody feels comfortable reviewing / shepherding them. > > Seems to me like one solution to that problem might be a subtle > variant on extreme programming: All features/

Re: ’Pond Jobs & Their Descriptions

2020-02-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 06:55:38PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > I’m curious as to all the various jobs/tasks required to keep > Lilypond development moving forward at the fastest possible pace > and in the most efficient possible way. Is there a single list > compiled anywhere, written with an

Re: development process

2020-02-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 12:11:48AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > For context, I have a busy daytime job. I work 80% so I can set aside > > a couple of hours of concentrated hacking time on Friday. Yes. I expect that most people knowledgeable about lilypond code are i

Re: midi2ly on mac: midi.so wrong architecture

2017-09-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 08:01:06AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > ElRay writes: > > > FYI: This has been reported as a bug -- in 2012.I will see if this is > > something I can take-on in the next month or two. > > I am pretty sure that Graham posted a patch for this on one of the lists > one of

Re: Discussed here: (issue 321830043 by fedel...@gmail.com)

2017-04-03 Thread Graham Percival
Cute solution, I like it. Cheers, - Graham On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:49:27AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: > It won't be in english only. It's up to translators. With this patch they can: > > a) not translate the file, so the content of that section will be in english > _within a translated pag

Re: Release issues?

2017-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
heers, - Graham On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:16:05AM +0000, Graham Percival wrote: > Sorry, my bad. For some reason it didn't twig with me that this > would be release-blocking. I'll upload a fix in 4-6 hours for > discussion. > > - Graham > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11

Re: Release issues?

2017-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
Sorry, my bad. For some reason it didn't twig with me that this would be release-blocking. I'll upload a fix in 4-6 hours for discussion. - Graham On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:29AM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > I think that it's due to the "make website" problem described here: > http://lists

Re: Website upload

2017-03-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 11:47:31AM +0100, Davide Liessi wrote: > Maybe an HTTP permanent redirect (308) should be added instead of a symlink, > see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes#3xx_Redirection Why 308 instead of 301? Google suggests 301: https://support.google.com/we

Re: Back in the Pond

2017-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 02:01:40PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > "Trevor Daniels" writes: > > > David, you wrote Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:18 AM > > > >> it would appear that my excursion into a regular workplace ended up > >> somewhat shortlived. Ouch, that sucks. :( > Well, the 2.20 rele

python include path oddity with "make install"

2017-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
At the moment, doing: mkdir build cd build ../configure --prefix=$HOME/.local/ make make install results in python files which can't find lilylib. This is installed to: $(PREFIX)/share/lilypond/$(VERSION)/python/ The relocation is supposed to be handled by: python/relocate-prea

Re: PATCHES - Countdown for January 8th

2017-01-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 03:17:38AM +0100, Simon Albrecht wrote: > I get a feeling we’re very good at producing misunderstandings right now… > :-) Yes. :) I have pushed the attached patch to staging. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list li

Re: patch for git-cl

2017-01-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:02:51PM +, Thomas Morley wrote: > attached a little patch for git-cl to replace googlecodeissue by > trackerissue in cl_settings.py, which will result in correct info in > .git/config > > How do we handle patches to git-cl? In general, I'd recommend a PR, but I've a

Re: patch for git-cl

2017-01-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 10:15:24PM +, James wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:02:51 + > Thomas Morley wrote: > > > attached a little patch for git-cl to replace googlecodeissue by > > trackerissue in cl_settings.py, which will result in correct info in > > .git/config > > > > How do we hand

Re: official GNU LilyPond maintainer

2016-12-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 05:25:08AM +, Graham Percival wrote: > With David stepping down, LilyPond is left without an official GNU > maintanier. I have now resumed this position. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond

Re: LilyDev 5.0 released

2016-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:24:48PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > The default should be httpredir: > httpredir.debian.org > > Have you tried again? I hope that it's just a temporary network problem. Yes, seems to have been temporary. I tried it 3 times yesterday, but now it's working. I curren

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

2016-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 08:21:58PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > At that point, an interested person -- perhaps yourself? -- could > > offer further patches which improved the quality of the lilypond > > code. > > Well, I'm working on theese: > http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/bin/miditol

Re: Free alternatives to Rietveld?

2016-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 06:35:30PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > It would be possible to add a configuration option in git-cl so > you can login in rietveld with a specific browser different from > the default one? Certainly! In the source, I see: - If your browser is on a different machine

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

2016-12-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 08:43:34AM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Graham: > > That is correct; the python midi2ly conversion is quite > > independent of the rest of LilyPond. As a result, it is an > > excellent place to begin! :) > > So I propose that a better course of action would be to rese

Re: Free alternatives to Rietveld?

2016-12-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 02:39:09PM +, James wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:33:11 +0100 > Simon Albrecht wrote: > > > Whatever the reason for this weirdness, I think it would really be > > better if we had a code review tool which didn’t rely on external > > login providers. Is there really

Re: LilyDev 5.0 released

2016-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 01:53:06PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > Eventually I managed to build the new ISO. Thanks for all this work! I get an invalid network mirror when I try to install it. Do you have a default valid set, or is it failing to connect to the generic Canadian debian server? Ch

official GNU LilyPond maintainer

2016-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
With David stepping down, LilyPond is left without an official GNU maintanier. Does anybody want to do fill this role? The relevant documentation is: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/index.html https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/index.htm If nobody is interested in the posit

Re: Can I develop with Raspberry Pi 3

2016-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 12:47:29PM -0500, Joseph Austin wrote: > Is it possible/practical to run LilyDev on Raspberry Pi 3? Unfortuantely not; LilyDev is compiled for x86 CPUs, whereas the Pi 3 has an ARM CPU. > In other words, is that a realistic alternative to setting up a > virtual machine or

Re: Offer to help development: Convert MIDI to Lilypond

2016-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:44:15AM -0500, Joseph Austin wrote: > I am offering to help with the project of converting midi2ly > from C to Python, or more generally converting MIDI to Lilypond. Excellent! I'd be delighted to serve as your mentor. > I'm not sure if this is a good place for someone

Re: linux-ppc harfbuzz GUB build error

2016-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 04:44:40PM +0100, Hans Aikema wrote: > > The official requirements for building: > INSTALLING > > * You need > - about 9 GB of free space (for all platforms) > - standard unix shell utilities: cat, cp, install, mv, rm, sed, ... > - a standard unix development environ

Re: website: texinfo macros for both ID and classes

2016-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 01:13:26PM -0500, Paul wrote: > On 12/05/2016 12:35 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > >>This would be good to have in general and more intuitive for > >>those used to html. > >I'm not convinced. > > As someone who knew html and went t

Re: bypassing the patch countdown

2016-12-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 11:58:14PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 7. Dezember 2016 23:34:39 MEZ, schrieb Graham Percival > : > >(please note that I'm not suggesting that anybody should feel > >obligated to make such typo fixes -- instead, I'm checking that > >

bypassing the patch countdown

2016-12-07 Thread Graham Percival
I was going to wait a month or two before suggesting this, just to make sure I was fully "up to date", but I'll jump in now. We instituted the policy of patch countdowns and Patchy after the lengthy wait for 2.14.0, which was due to a large number of regression bugs due to patches which either bro

Re: Doc CG 6.1: Add caveat on website work (issue 315130043 by gra...@percival-music.ca)

2016-12-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 06:03:28PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 12/5/16 10:28 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of Graham Percival" > gra...@percival-music.ca> wrote: > > >The website *is* tied to the documentation. That decision was > >made in 2009, an

Re: website: texinfo macros for both ID and classes

2016-12-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 11:49:27AM -0500, Paul wrote: > For the website I'm thinking about adding a macro that can create a div with > both an ID and classes. Why? What problem would this solve? > This would be good to have in general and more intuitive for > those used to html. I'm not convinc

Re: Doc CG 6.1: Add caveat on website work (issue 315130043 by gra...@percival-music.ca)

2016-12-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:24:54AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > If this intends to codify the website being tied to the documentation I > don't really like that. The website *is* tied to the documentation. That decision was made in 2009, and the reasons are just as valid today. - Graham ___

Re: New LilyPond website

2016-12-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 07:50:50PM +0100, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: > I've already given it a try, but get stopped by some errors I don't know how > to resolve (I've no knowledge about perl). Three patches are available for > anybody willing to help me… I can compile the English version, excep

Re: Stepping up, contributor mentoring

2016-12-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 11:34:01AM +, James Lowe wrote: > I have created > > https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/5006/ > > For the 'CSS change' Rietveld that I see you uploaded on behalf of Mr. > Roper just so it gets on my radar (and the countdown, including the URL > that Phil k

Re: Stepping up, contributor mentoring

2016-12-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:37:04PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:11 PM > > > So, are there any vacancies on the Bug Squad? I've signed up for > > sourceforge (username: gperciva). > > I've added you

Stepping up, contributor mentoring

2016-11-29 Thread Graham Percival
Hi all, I'm back. So, are there any vacancies on the Bug Squad? I've signed up for sourceforge (username: gperciva). Other than that, my primary interest remains in organization / mentoring new contributors. Has anything changed in regards to that in the past four years? Or shall I jump straight

Re: lilypond.org - file storage

2015-08-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 05:57:45PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: > > BTW, is there any difference between download/source and download/sources ? I'm pretty certain that one is a symlink of the other. If not, then one was a place to store some odd tarballs for GUB to download. Cheers, -

Re: lilypond.org - file storage

2015-08-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 01:15:48PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > We also have source files back to 0.0 and 1.0. I assume we could > never recreate these from Git, but are we ever going to need to? It > certainly seems pointless keeping lots of source tarballs, given > that all the more recent histo

Re: mentoring opportunity: anybody claiming to care about the website

2015-07-25 Thread Graham Percival
> >On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Graham Percival ><[1]gra...@percival-music.ca> wrote: > > Add weight to your opinions by showing that you're not afraid of > getting your hands dirty. > texi2html is a vital part of the documentation. It&#

mentoring opportunity: anybody claiming to care about the website

2015-07-19 Thread Graham Percival
Add weight to your opinions by showing that you're not afraid of getting your hands dirty. texi2html is a vital part of the documentation. It's currently used for the website as well, but that is almost incidental to its use for the rest of the documentation. https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/is

Re: lilypond documentation build issue (both 2.18.2 and 2.19.16)

2015-07-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 12:22:27PM +0200, Dave Plater wrote: > On 7/7/15, Dave Plater wrote: > >> Oh, there's a pretty big chunk of custom stuff in lilypond > >> texi2html. See past discussion here: > >> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1000 > > > is this issue likely to be res

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: > >A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: > > All of these suggestions would actually probably be for LilyDev4. I'm not > sure that we will make another release of LilyDev3. But if we did, I'm > still happy to host it. If somebody is availabl

Re: Fwd: Google Code shutting down

2015-03-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:33:22AM +0100, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > I can click the "export" button so all the issues are migrated to > github. Thoughts, ideas? > > Didn't someone setup a lilypond organization at github? There was some discussion about that, which spilled over to gnu-hackers or g

Re: lilypond documentation build issue (both 2.18.2 and 2.19.16)

2015-03-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:29:39PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Petr Gajdos writes: > > If this is relevant, texi2html-5.0/texi2html.pl do not contain > > sub get_index in contrast of texi2html-1.82/texi2html.pl. > > Whoa. > > That one certainly looks like it will need attention soonish. I did

Re: GUB update

2015-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 04:33:05PM +, Phil Holmes wrote: > I assume what is happening here is that the manual install places the mpc > libraries where the gcc configur can't find them. In any case, doing this > manually defeats the object of a self-building package builder. So what > would be

Re: Add original-breaks.ly commands (issue 150670043 by lilyli...@googlemail.com)

2014-10-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:21:45AM +, tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com wrote: > I've not followed the corresponding email discussion closely, and maybe > I've missed something, but how is this better than simply using \obreak > for an original break, and \nbreak for a new, required, break, having >

Re: Compact Chord Symbols Patch

2014-10-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 12:53:53PM +0100, James wrote: > I think we could improve the notes in the contributor's Guide > generally. Having had to help three or four people over the last few > months with a patch or two, I get how the instructions are probably > rather confusing if not intimidating.

Re: es means ees???

2014-10-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 01:41:30PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > Here, instead of ees, is written es. > > I read > > In Dutch, aes is contracted to as, but both forms are accepted in > LilyPond. Similarly, both es and ees are accepted. This also applies >

Re: How can I change my email address for code reviews?

2014-09-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 07:01:02PM -0400, Dan Eble wrote: > I’m using LilyDev. ~/.gitconfig says nine.fierce.ball...@gmail.com. I’ve > tried removing ~/.last_code_review_email_address. I’ve even gone as far as > running rm -f ~/lilypond-git and getting it again with lily-git.tcl. No go. > g

two patches for lilypad: accept?

2014-09-06 Thread Graham Percival
Hi guys, I see that there's two patches for lilypad: https://github.com/gperciva/lilypad/pull/4 https://github.com/gperciva/lilypad/pull/3 Are these good? I think that Phil Holmes (and Christian Hitz) can accept them with the github interface, but if not, please let me know if I should accept th

Re: Issue 2507: Stop the entanglement of context properties and grob property internals (issue 126280043 by d...@gnu.org)

2014-08-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 07:58:26AM +, d...@gnu.org wrote: > At any rate, putting Graham in the Cc since event-listener.ly or > equivalent code is purportedly used in Vivi. The change in > event-listener.ly is independent of this issue itself and should be > applied to any similar code in order

Re: Rietveld with Google two-factor authentification

2014-07-16 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:11:31PM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote: > My usual password is not accepted (which is good), since > git-cl does not ask for the second-factor token (which is bad). And > obviously git-cl is not able to cache the credentials - I get > > Could not find stored credentials >

Re: astyle 2.02

2014-06-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:08:56AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > If "badly formatted" <=> "different than what fixcc.py would produce", > i would say that LilyPond often gets badly formatted code - as you > wrote, running fixcc now results in 400 lines of changes. This could, of course, be complet

Re: astyle 2.02

2014-06-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 09:28:24PM -0400, Devon Schudy wrote: > The cases where 2.04 does worse than 2.02 are minor; I don't think > they're enough that fixcc.py should refuse to use it. Thanks for the analysis of astyle 2.02 vs. 2.04. I support switching to 2.04. However, fixcc.py should reject

Re: Build just one doc manual in html?

2014-05-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:07:32PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > make out=www out-www/contributor.pdf > > I want to do the same thing for an html document (as opposed > to pdf), like notation/index.html. How can I do that? Isn't it just make out=www out-www/contributor/index.html ? - Graha

Re: git-cl configuration?

2014-05-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:13:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > > Could not find stored credentials > > /home/hanwen/.lilypond-project-hosting-login > > Please enter login details manually FWIW, speaking as the author of this, I'm pretty certain that it will *not*

Re: New ponding: Urs Liska Berne lectures (issue 94960043)

2014-05-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 06:02:48PM +, lilyli...@googlemail.com wrote: > Updated patch, now applied to master. I hope you mean "now applied to staging". You should never push anything directly to master. - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lil

Re: LSR updates

2014-04-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:18:43AM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > -\version "2.17.30" > +\version "2.14.2" > > So it appears to be ignoring updated syntax and setting the version > back to 2.14. Or simply not updating the syntax at all. Anyone any > thoughts why this might be? It's running convert

Re: Python 3 support

2014-03-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 04:41:46PM -0400, Julien Rioux wrote: > I think the following would be a good 1-2 punch approach for the > current development cycle: First, upgrade python in GUB and make > sure we can build current dev and stable branches of lilypond from > it. Then bump the python require

Re: long-term goals (was: Lines and Ties and Slurs oh my!)

2014-03-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 07:07:39PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > >>> I’ve know someone at Carnegie-Mellon University who is well-connected > >>> in the computer and music departments (he is both a composer and a > >>> programmer). > >>> I approached him recently with the idea of getting involve

Re: Pre-review questions about image(s) and translations

2014-01-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 08:33:37AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: >My first instinct is to prepare an SVG file that could be processed with >inkscape or another program as part of the make process. That is not do-able for the website due to our hosting&build situation. I've commented on this

Re: 3.0?

2014-01-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 12:07:07PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > But it would probably make it more attractive for the consumer > market if it had a nice default GUI. I personally would be pleased > to see Frescobaldi become such a default GUI (of course not cutting > out other options). Particularly g

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

2014-01-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 10:38:04AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I do not believe that there is a notion of "package" copyright in > > most countries' laws. > > On page > http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Copyright-Notices.html > I see this: > > To update the list of year numbe

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

2014-01-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > The purpose of listing the year is to give an indication of when the > > copyright will expire. > > AFAIK, this is not correct. We have to make a distinction between > singular files and files that a part of a package. What m

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

2014-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 08:42:59AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > >> Looks like a mistake in the conversion script. `2012' should be > >> changed to `2012-2014', of course. > > > > GNU maintainer's guide discourages that: > > http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Copyright-Notices.html#Co

Re: Run grand-replace to update copyright

2014-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 08:09:45AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I'm not a lawyer, but the year in a copyright notice is supposed to > > be the year of original publication. If you have a document first > > published in 2012 with a "Copyright 2012" notice and you change the > > year to 2014 w

Re: License of files in Documentation/pictures and ability to distribute them unclear

2014-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 03:28:22PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > There are a lot of files in Documentation/pictures which have no clear > license, and unfortunately, the git log for them isn't clear at all > either. Indeed; those should be clarified. > Some of them cannot be distributed by lilypo

Re: Images on "Introduction" and "Features"

2014-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:49:35PM +0100, u...@openlilylib.org wrote: > > The images in the first text boxes on "Introduction" and "Features" > are the same. Is there any specific reason for this? nah, I was just copying material from the old website to the new website. It makes sense to use dif

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2014-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 03:47:32PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2014/1/1 Graham Percival : > > Not quite. 1) is obvious, but equally important is 1.5) update > > incorrect info. Remember this latest iteration of interest in the > > CG happened because one or two new contrib

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2014-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 07:45:15PM +, James wrote: > If you are comfortable with making patches and compiling, LilyDev is > probably not for you. If you are not or want a ready-to-go > environment and don't care that it's on some 'old' Linux release > (i.e. not new and shiny) then LilyDev is pe

Re: Content of "Introduction"->"Our Goal"

2014-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 06:03:01PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > I see the need to modify the "Our Goal" box on "Introduction", but I > wouldn't want to do that on my own because it would feel like > modifying someone else's tune instead of only adding a figured bass > to it. I have no objection to an

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2013-12-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 06:35:36PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/12 Graham Percival : > > Sorry, this awoke Grumpy Graham. > > I should have expected that. Yes, you should have. :P Happy new year, BTW. > Anyway, there are two parts to this cg cleanup: > 1) remov

Re: CG organization (Git)

2013-12-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:40:04AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > >> After a good deal of thinking, here's how i think CG should be > >> structured. > > More thinking and discussion than we had the previous 4 times we > > reorganized the CG? > from a week ago. Chapters 1 and 2 are solid (other than the

Re: CG organization (Git)

2013-12-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 09:55:39AM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > I'm somewhat confused about the organization of the CG chapters > about Git and patch review. > > First: > 3.2.2 Git for the impatient and > 3.3 Basic Git procedures > > share some information, and this in a somewhat confusing way. > Is

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:27:05PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Maybe "interactive" is a useful term? Like > > "LilyPond is not an interactive program: its sole task is translating > a textual description of music into typeset music. For creating that > textual description, an editor is require

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:50:53PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: > (2) utilizing back-end scripting (PHP, etc.) to custom-serve the > content based on the http header. We're using a donated web-server, and don't have root access. When (not if) PHP has another security hole, I don't think we want us

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:42:16AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: >Just thinking out loud here...would it be worth looking into tweaking the >.htaccess file to do OS-based redirection on the download page, like many >sites do? That's possible, but having the unified landing page lets us i

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 07:53:38AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > Note: LilyPond is a text-based music engraver; it is more similar to a > > programming language than a graphical score editing program. Before > > downloading LilyPond, please read about our Text input. > > Which is not helping mu

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:23:51PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 15.12.2013 06:47, schrieb Graham Percival: > >2) they noticed the existing, read the "text input" page, but were > >still confused. Solution: improve the "text input" page. > > I think the o

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:29:44AM +0800, Graham Percival wrote: > > Urs Liska writes: > > > I don't want to imagine what happens if I propose my rewrite of the > > > Features page (http://www.openlilylib.org/lilyweb/features.html). > > A rewrite of a single

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 07:48:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Urs Liska writes: > > > But it's actually quite off-putting when you prepare a patch that is > > more or less based on a broad (and astonishingly productive) > > discussion on lilypond-user, and then (after two steps of fine-tuning)

Re: Fwd: Re: Website improvements, part 1

2013-12-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 01:57:23PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 12.12.2013 04:19, schrieb Graham Percival: > >ok. I also like the "applicances" tab, although I agree with you > >that the name might be ideal (but I also can't think of a better > >name ri

Re: Web: Download: Add introductory text (issue 40510046)

2013-12-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 09:46:54AM +, lilyli...@googlemail.com wrote: > > On 2013/12/14 03:51:33, Graham Percival wrote: > >Umm, isn't the whole point of this to be a warning? Why are you > removing the > >warning CSS tag? > > It's the whole point of th

Re: Website questions: Manual->Web

2013-12-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 03:40:03PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: > I _think_ the odd place of "web" in the manuals hierarchy is down to > it being the only part of the documentation that built using "make > website" - it has something of a split personality between being > part of the documentation and

Re: Website questions: Manual->Web

2013-12-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 09:34:28PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > When I go there I can download the whole website as a PDF. OK, this > makes sense. > Getting it as one big HTML page also makes sense. > [but where can I get it in info format?) We don't provide links to the info documents, because IMO n

Re: Website questions: GSoC

2013-12-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:06:38PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > The page "GSoC 2012" is obviously outdated. > > What should be done with it? I suggest deleting it. There's no evidence that the proposed mentors are still available or interested, and those specific proposals are a small subject of th

Re: Enable manual-specific styling of documentation; issue 3714 (issue 36480048)

2013-12-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:02:23AM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM, wrote: > > I think that the index sidebar colors are too dark. They dominate the > > page, in my opinon. In the current design, the sidebar color and the > > highlight box fill color are the same.

Re: Enable manual-specific styling of documentation; issue 3714 (issue 36480048)

2013-12-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 05:58:33PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: >For those who need a visual of these changes, I've uploaded screenshots to >the Google Code issue. >https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3714. Woah, why are you changing the whole background? It looks a bit

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2013-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:26:55PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: >In my searching, I didn't find a page that really did this. Section 1.2 of >the current CG should theoretically do this (based on the title), but it >mostly just talks philosophically about git. Sounds good. I've never li

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2013-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:20:22PM -0500, Carl Peterson wrote: > I was able to connect to git with minimal fuss, and currently > use the lily-git.tcl tool to handle commits and patches. Great! This suggests that the introduction in the CG is ok. >All that said, where things got interesting f

Re: Website improvements, part 1

2013-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:21:28PM +0100, Urs Liska wrote: >- I changed "Easier editing" to "Editing". ok. I also like the "applicances" tab, although I agree with you that the name might be ideal (but I also can't think of a better name right now). >- I organized the entry scenario (= i

Re: contributing instructions are misleading!

2013-12-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 01:48:54PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: > PS ccing to Graham because he might be interested to know that > Someone(TM) is doing Something(TM) to help new contributors! Sorry, this awoke Grumpy Graham. Reorganizing the CG is very much a "something should be done, this is som

centralization of lilypond development and forking (was: branching)

2013-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 08:39:58AM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: >See: > > http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Allows-minimum-length-to-work-for-end-of-line-spanners-issue-7453046-td141952.html#a142870 >as one of several examples. There is truth in anything David says, >meaning that

Re: branching

2013-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: > > (quotes from David) > > The basic idea behind that is not to make confrontations nicer but > reduce the necessity for them by establishing playing fields with > different authorities. So that people can get work done without > end

Re: branching

2013-12-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 02:42:45PM +0200, Mike Solomon wrote: > On the website, we would offer _all_ of these development > branches, including the one built off of staging, as GUB builds. A few years ago, we were asked to cut our downloads down to 5 GB. I deleted a bunch of devel stuff and got it

Re: Reasoning behind convert-ly rule for stable update?

2013-11-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:12:16PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > Does anybody know _why_ convert-ly updates at least to the last stable > version number even if nothing else has been changed? Yes, because it's confusing for some users if they've downloaded the latest and greatest lilypond 2.18.

Re: verification and bulk edit [Re: Unverified issues?]

2013-09-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:49:07PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" > >It matches the theory. In practice, I've been startled quite a few > >times when bug squad members not just verified the commit to be present > >but also reported back when it turn

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