El Wed, 07 de Nov de 2007, a las 05:07:39AM -0700, Carl D. Sorensen dijo:
>
> The lack of a name for a 128th note would indicate that a 64th is a
> reasonable smallest note.
I beg your pardon because I've been away on travel. I know that the discussion
is over and I am not going to continue it.
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
I think it would be better to phrase it as:
There is no fundamental limit to note durations (both in terms of
longest and shortest), but the number of glyphs is limited: there are
flags up 64th and rests up to 128th. At the other extreme, there are
note heads up to longa
2007/11/8, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> > This still does not answer the real question: which is what is the
> > shortest UNBEAMED note that you see. Lilypond supports 2048th notes
> > if need be, but only if they are beamed.
>
> Do you want to have different of
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
This still does not answer the real question: which is what is the
shortest UNBEAMED note that you see. Lilypond supports 2048th notes
if need be, but only if they are beamed.
Do you want to have different official shortest notes? ie "up to 2048
beamed, only 64 unbea
2007/11/8, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 02:03 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> > As a composer by myself, it's a mystery to me why so many composers
> > love to use 128th and 256th, most time for no good reason.
>
> Let's ask ourselves about that well-known piano h
Valentin Villenave wrote:
> My two cents here:
Thanks Valentin for this considered reply.
> One thing is very interesting though: when it comes to finding 256th
> notes, you always refer to *solo* pieces (piano sonatas, violon
> pieces, etc.). Why is that? It is because when writing orchestral
>
2007/11/8, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm a professional piano player by myself, and I've played most of the
> pieces you are mentioning.
I've read this whole thread since it has started, because I find the
main issue very interesting. It really, reallly would be a shame if it
had to g
> > As a composer by myself, it's a mystery to me why so many
> > composers love to use 128th and 256th, most time for no good
> > reason.
>
> Let's ask ourselves about that well-known piano hack, Ludwig van
> Beethoven. [... removing the rest of a furiously answer...]
Dearest! Your ridiculous
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 21:39:23 Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 02:03 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> > As a composer by myself, it's a mystery to me why so many composers
> > love to use 128th and 256th, most time for no good reason.
>
> Let's ask ourselves about that wel
On Nov 7, 2007 7:03 PM, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Please, please just don't get rid of the *beamed* 128ths and 256ths;
> > I use them both all the time.
>
> This is something you should get punished for :-)
>
:-D
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On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 02:03 +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> As a composer by myself, it's a mystery to me why so many composers
> love to use 128th and 256th, most time for no good reason.
Let's ask ourselves about that well-known piano hack, Ludwig van
Beethoven. Later we'll turn to Mozart, who d
> Please, please just don't get rid of the *beamed* 128ths and 256ths;
> I use them both all the time.
This is something you should get punished for :-)
A longer time ago we performed the excellent opera `Luci mie
traditrici' from Salvatore Sciarrino which uses 32nd-tuplets all the
time. The sc
On Nov 7, 2007 8:48 AM, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Mark Knoop wrote:
> > This talk of 'reconsidering your notation' and 'reasonable shortest
> > notes' is rather disturbing. Clearly, composers *do* use 128th (and
> > shorter) notes, both beamed and unbeamed: therefore lilypond
Hi,
128th notes are specifically supported also in Braille Music although the
support is a bit clumsy and seems like an afterthought as it is represented
differently from other durations.
Regards,
Ralph
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Mark Knoop wrote:
This talk of 'reconsidering your notation' and 'reasonable shortest
notes' is rather disturbing. Clearly, composers *do* use 128th (and
shorter) notes, both beamed and unbeamed: therefore lilypond *should*
support them.
The musical notation should be chosen by the composer, no
Reinhold Kainhofer skrev:
Notes with n flags can always be composed by stacking more single flags on top
of each other, there does not necessarily have to be a glyph in the font for
this, right?
Hmm. This definitely does not hold for rests.
And we should imo allow for the same durations for r
Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Han-Wen Nienhuys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> For unbeamed notes, we have to draw the line somewhere, and
>> it's at 64th right now. If someone can show a reasonable use
>> for 128th we
>> *might* consider it, but my initial reac
> -Original Message-
> From: Han-Wen Nienhuys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:05 AM
> To: Graham Percival
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lilypond-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: GPD: official shor
Paco Vila wrote:
> If anybody has an edition of Beethoven's Sonata nº8 Op.13 Pathétique
> for piano, on measure 10 of the first movement (grave) there are some
> very, very short notes, guess what are they? 128th notes.
>
> see http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=299
Ah, but th
2007/11/6, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Dienstag, 6. November 2007 schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys:
> > AFAIK there is no limitation to the number of flags you can have on
> > beamed notes,
> > For unbeamed notes, we have to draw the line somewhere,
>
> Why are beamed and unbeamed notes tr
El Tue, 06 de Nov de 2007, a las 11:51:47AM -0800, Graham Percival dijo:
> Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
>> I simply don't see any compelling technical reason to not allow durations
>> shorter than 64th (except for notation style, but then lilypond should
>> disallow beamed notes, too).
If anybody h
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
I simply don't see any compelling technical reason to not allow durations
shorter than 64th (except for notation style, but then lilypond should
disallow beamed notes, too).
OTOH, I don't see any compelling musical reason to allow durations
shorter than 64. :)
GDP
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Am Dienstag, 6. November 2007 schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys:
> AFAIK there is no limitation to the number of flags you can have on
> beamed notes,
> For unbeamed notes, we have to draw the line somewhere,
Why are beamed and unbeamed notes treated differe
2007/10/19, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey, I'm not going to argue that we _should_ support 128. If somebody
> official (ie Han-Wen, Jan, or Joe) says "we only guarantee up to 64",
> then we'll happily update the docs to only discuss such durations. If
> users discover an undocumente
Werner LEMBERG wrote:
bug.ly:5:53: warning: flag `u7' not found
message for *unbeamed* notes. Is this a bug, or do we only
officially support durations of 64?
*Un*beamed 128ths have produced that error for at least the last two
years ... (though I don't know the official answer to the question
> > bug.ly:5:53: warning: flag `u7' not found
> >
> > message for *unbeamed* notes. Is this a bug, or do we only
> > officially support durations of 64?
>
> *Un*beamed 128ths have produced that error for at least the last two
> years ... (though I don't know the official answer to the question
> o
On 10/18/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the official shortest note?
>
> Currently, durations of 128 are accepted for rests and for *beamed*
> notes, but produce a
>
> bug.ly:5:53: warning: flag `u7' not found
>
> message for *unbeamed* notes. Is this a bug, or do we only o
What's the official shortest note?
Currently, durations of 128 are accepted for rests and for *beamed*
notes, but produce a
bug.ly:5:53: warning: flag `u7' not found
message for *unbeamed* notes. Is this a bug, or do we only officially
support durations of 64?
Cheers,
- Graham
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