Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Because of significant disagreement, and to ensure that LilyPond contributors don't feel pushed, I am hereby officially withdrawing this proposal. I apologize for the disturbance caused by the way I have introduced this. Maybe I'll submit a revised proposal, but if I do, I'll definitely start with

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

niedz., 9 lut 2020 o 00:31 napisał(a): > On 2020/02/08 22:57:13, janek wrote: > > Because of significant disagreement, and to ensure that LilyPond > contributors > > don't feel pushed, I am hereby officially withdrawing this proposal. I > apologize > > for the disturbance caused by the way I have

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/08 22:57:13, janek wrote: > Because of significant disagreement, and to ensure that LilyPond contributors > don't feel pushed, I am hereby officially withdrawing this proposal. I apologize > for the disturbance caused by the way I have introduced this. > > Maybe I'll submit a revised pr

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi Wol, > The worry is that said developer may decide his talents > are better spent elsewhere, and he'll quit ... We need to weigh that concert against the documented reality that multiple other developers have already done so, and the worry that more might follow (or never join in the first p

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Wols Lists writes: > On 06/02/20 20:56, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> >> I think that you are overstating things a little bit. I recommend >> that if you choose to use such a signature, it would be better to >> say "My replies are known to sometimes cause friction. This is >> unintentional. To help

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 06/02/20 20:56, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > On 2/6/20, 1:46 PM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup" > > wrote: > > > > > Apple carts unfortunately get upset once in a while. That is just life. > > Well, one can make them more robust, and that may be worth thinking

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Karlin High writes: > On 2/6/2020 2:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> I am working on an Email signature that might be helping to convey the >> message. > > Nice idea, but sometimes drawing attention to a problem only makes > things worse. How about focusing on the success mode instead of the > fai

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 06/02/20 14:40, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi James, > >> I am still struggling to understand the point of a COC for the LP project, >> other than some kind of ... what is the term ... virtue signalling or >> something that a project does *after* someone says something that happens to >> be o

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Karlin High writes: > On 2/6/2020 2:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> I am working on an Email signature that might be helping to convey the >> message. > > Nice idea, but sometimes drawing attention to a problem only makes > things worse. How about focusing on the success mode instead of the > fai

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:55 AM David Kastrup wrote: > Thomas Morley writes: > > > As an example look at the review of one of my own patches > > https://codereview.appspot.com/270640043 > > Quoting dak: > > "This looks like a total mess." > > "Total waste of effort." > > "Aaand another one." > >

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:05 AM Karlin High wrote: > On 2/6/2020 2:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > > I am working on an Email signature that might be helping to convey the > > message. > > Nice idea, but sometimes drawing attention to a problem only makes > things worse. How about focusing on the su

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Il giorno gio 6 feb 2020 alle 23:04, Carl Sorensen ha scritto: I think that the presence (in the proposed CoC )of an enforcement committee that has the power to sanction participants in response to anonymous complaints is more than just a bit of prose. It's the creation of a new structure tha

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2/6/2020 2:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: I am working on an Email signature that might be helping to convey the message. Nice idea, but sometimes drawing attention to a problem only makes things worse. How about focusing on the success mode instead of the failure mode? " I aim to communica

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2/6/20, 3:03 PM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of kieren_macmillan kieren_macmillan" wrote: We lost at least 30 [!!] person-years of extremely high-level programming assistance because of the past tone in this community — yes, I can justify that claim with concrete data — an

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi James (et al.), > Goodness gracious! > Do all those who feel so positive about CoCs not see how that paragraph > above is just so bloody soul destroying? No. Please explain. > I don't need a document written by a committee of people that I have no > say over (i.e. what we do in the real wor

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2/6/20, 1:46 PM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup" wrote: > > Apple carts unfortunately get upset once in a while. That is just life. Well, one can make them more robust, and that may be worth thinking about. -- David Kastrup My replies are

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 06/02/2020 15:37, David Kastrup wrote: Werner LEMBERG writes: I'd like to recommend that everyone argues with him [David K.], if you think he is wrong. Otherwise take his posts literal and _not_ offending. That's it. But new contributors cannot be expected to know, and also it takes time

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

James Lowe writes: > On 06/02/2020 15:37, David Kastrup wrote: >> Werner LEMBERG writes: >> I'd like to recommend that everyone argues with him [David K.], if you think he is wrong. Otherwise take his posts literal and _not_ offending. >>> That's it. >> But new contributors canno

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Werner LEMBERG writes: >> I'd like to recommend that everyone argues with him [David K.], if >> you think he is wrong. Otherwise take his posts literal and _not_ >> offending. > > That's it. But new contributors cannot be expected to know, and also it takes time until the emotional response ali

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi David, > No, the problem is that this solution to the problems of bad actors > addresses a problem that we do not have to a relevant degree. At least > I hope we can agree that my intent is not doling out damage to the > project. Your original quote >>> The problem with an approach focused o

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

> I'd like to recommend that everyone argues with him [David K.], if > you think he is wrong. Otherwise take his posts literal and _not_ > offending. That's it. Werner

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> The problem with an approach focused on punishment and expulsion is that >> it helps isolating and eventually ostracizing bad actors, limiting the >> total damage they may cause. > > "Limiting the total damage they may cause" is a "problem"? You > definit

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi David, > The problem with an approach focused on punishment and expulsion is that > it helps isolating and eventually ostracizing bad actors, limiting the > total damage they may cause. "Limiting the total damage they may cause" is a "problem"? You definitely have me confused on that one. ;)

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi James, > >> I am still struggling to understand the point of a COC for the LP >> project, other than some kind of ... what is the term ... virtue >> signalling or something that a project does *after* someone says >> something that happens to be offensive to someone

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi Karlin, > I've been following Lilypond mailing lists since 2016 or so. I'd > describe my most common role as "entry-level tech support," answering > the most basic mailing list questions so better-skilled people don't > have to deal with them. That "job" is going on my list. :) > I can point

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi James, > I am still struggling to understand the point of a COC for the LP project, > other than some kind of ... what is the term ... virtue signalling or > something that a project does *after* someone says something that happens to > be offensive to someone else - which is just, life isn'

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

David Kastrup ezt írta (időpont: 2020. febr. 6., Cs, 14:38): > > Benkő Pál writes: > > > Janek Warchoł ezt írta (időpont: 2020. > > febr. 6., Cs, 0:32): > >> > >> I'll try to speak only on the most pressing points to avoid bloating the > >> discussion unnecessarily. > >> > >> I stopped contribut

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Benkő Pál writes: > Janek Warchoł ezt írta (időpont: 2020. > febr. 6., Cs, 0:32): >> >> I'll try to speak only on the most pressing points to avoid bloating the >> discussion unnecessarily. >> >> I stopped contributing to LilyPond about 6 years ago. One cause of that >> change was that I got a j

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Janek Warchoł ezt írta (időpont: 2020. febr. 6., Cs, 0:32): > > I'll try to speak only on the most pressing points to avoid bloating the > discussion unnecessarily. > > I stopped contributing to LilyPond about 6 years ago. One cause of that > change was that I got a job and suddenly had much less

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hello, I am still struggling to understand the point of a COC for the LP project, other than some kind of ... what is the term ... virtue signalling or something that a project does *after* someone says something that happens to be offensive to someone else - which is just, life isn't it? R

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Werner, czw., 6 lut 2020, 03:46 użytkownik Werner LEMBERG napisał: > > > The preamble and intent is one thing; adding a corrective committee > > with the authority to enact punishments based on anonymous reports > > is another. It implements hierarchies and institutions exerting > > coercive po

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

David, czw., 6 lut 2020, 02:55 użytkownik David Kastrup napisał: > Not everybody likes to argue. So yes, I felt in a comfortable space > with you and it was a productive exchange where I was not aware of any > potential for controversy. But I'll agree that it sends an awful > message to bystan

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Let me write a clarification and a disclaimer. It was not the purpose of my email to blame people. If someone (especially David) felt attacked, I apologize. I wanted to express how I view the situation, and I may be mistaken in my opinions. I don't claim to hold the objective truth. czw., 6 lut 20

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On Feb 5, 2020, at 20:26, Thomas Morley wrote: > So to repeat myself, everyone should take his post literal, not offending! > > I'd love to see a community bearing different personalities, even > personalities with problematic conversation skills. > For me it's like strange english from a non-na

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

I've been following Lilypond mailing lists since 2016 or so. I'd describe my most common role as "entry-level tech support," answering the most basic mailing list questions so better-skilled people don't have to deal with them. I can point to the exact thread(s) that drew me into the Lilypond comm

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

David, > [...] the principal impact to be expected on LilyPond development > appears to have an official body entitled to censure my behavior and > eventually, out of a sense of duty, remove me. I won't definitely do that. > The general stance of the GNU project on its internal lists is to >

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

[Being on the return from Hawaii I'm late with everything, so please don't be surprised if I answer to stuff that has already been discussed to death.] > The preamble and intent is one thing; adding a corrective committee > with the authority to enact punishments based on anonymous reports > i

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 02:55 Uhr schrieb David Kastrup : > > Thomas Morley writes: > > I'd like to recommend that everyone argues with him, if you think he is > > wrong. > > Otherwise take his posts literal and _not_ offending. > > Not everybody likes to argue. So yes, I felt in a comfortable

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Thomas Morley writes: > As an example look at the review of one of my own patches > https://codereview.appspot.com/270640043 > Quoting dak: > "This looks like a total mess." > "Total waste of effort." > "Aaand another one." Ouch. Fortunately in context this looks less dire ("Aaand another one."

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:37 PM Thomas Morley wrote: > > Hi all, > > Being on the lists for many years now I remember only a few posts > which were inappropriate: > > Long time ago. there was a user with a post others felt uncomfortable > with. But Graham denied a problem. But there was a followup

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi all, Being on the lists for many years now I remember only a few posts which were inappropriate: Long time ago. there was a user with a post others felt uncomfortable with. But Graham denied a problem. But there was a followup which definitely was. And Graham told the user that it was not appr

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

śr., 5 lut 2020 o 23:47 Kieren MacMillan napisał(a): > I guess what confuses me about this whole discussion/thread — starting > with the Salzburg "roundtable", really — is how quickly it appears to > escalate from "let’s collaboratively design an ecosystem where everyone can > be in their Zone(s)

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

I'll try to speak only on the most pressing points to avoid bloating the discussion unnecessarily. śr., 5 lut 2020 o 14:41 David Kastrup napisał(a): > Janek Warchoł writes: > > In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you specific > > examples) that having code of conduct en

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi David (et al.), > I am afraid that to some degree I am oblivious of > out-of-line behavior unless it hits me in the face. Which simply means that calling other people in on potentially problematic behaviour shouldn’t fall under your job description. No biggie! > There are multiple factors at

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Here are my thoughts, in stream-of-consciousness order: > > 1. There were times ca. 2014–2017 (which was a rather tough time in my > life) in which my list behaviour should certainly have triggered an > "issue" under any reasonably-constructed CoC. Looking back, I wish

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi all, I was just lurking, but now feel I should comment. Here are my thoughts, in stream-of-consciousness order: 1. There were times ca. 2014–2017 (which was a rather tough time in my life) in which my list behaviour should certainly have triggered an "issue" under any reasonably-constructed

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

David Kastrup writes: > Yes. Even given better communication by my side. If there are obvious > recipes to follow to place and extend and use one's own plugin package, > and if one so desires, submit it in a manner where other users may > install it on-demand, I hope that the option to abandon

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Urs Liska writes: > Am Mittwoch, den 05.02.2020, 21:21 +0100 schrieb David Kastrup: >> Urs Liska writes: >> >> > I must say that I haven't actually expressed an opinion about it so >> > far, and I don't know which I have. >> > >> > I don't feel uncomfortable without and wouldn't mind adding it

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Am Mittwoch, den 05.02.2020, 21:21 +0100 schrieb David Kastrup: > Urs Liska writes: > > > Am 5. Februar 2020 20:08:28 MEZ schrieb > > nine.fierce.ball...@gmail.com: > > > On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: > > > > I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean > > > > no >

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

om" Cc: "lilypond-devel@gnu.org" , "re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com" Subject: Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com) On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: That's a really good point and I see where Carl and David N are coming from

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

"Phil Holmes" writes: > I've kept out of this debate for a long time because a) I've only been > peripherally involved lately and b) there's been too much > communication for me to read, but > > As one of the earlier regular committers, and as the only person who > makes builds and updates the we

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Urs Liska writes: > Am 5. Februar 2020 20:08:28 MEZ schrieb nine.fierce.ball...@gmail.com: >>On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: >>> I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean no >>disrespect to >>> Mike, Janek, Han-Wen, or any other member of the LilyPond team. I >>hig

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

- Original Message - From: To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com) On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Am 5. Februar 2020 20:08:28 MEZ schrieb nine.fierce.ball...@gmail.com: >On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: >> I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean no >disrespect to >> Mike, Janek, Han-Wen, or any other member of the LilyPond team. I >highly value >> the team sp

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: > I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean no disrespect to > Mike, Janek, Han-Wen, or any other member of the LilyPond team. I highly value > the team spirit of the LilyPond team. >Well said. Here's the current tally as I understan

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: > I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean no disrespect to > Mike, Janek, Han-Wen, or any other member of the LilyPond team. I highly value > the team spirit of the LilyPond team. Well said. Here's the current tally as I understand

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: > > On 2/5/20, 7:40 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup" > > wrote: > > Mike Solomon writes: > > > Janek Warcho

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2/5/20, 7:40 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup" wrote: Mike Solomon writes: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> Hi, >> >> śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik napisał: >> >>> What problem are we trying to solve here? >>> >> >> In shor

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: > Mike Solomon writes: > >>> What does "implement" mean? >> >> Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant merge the PR. > >> Uh, words have meanings. There would be no point of putting something > into our documentation that we are not going to follow through with. > > By merging it, t

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: >> What does "implement" mean? > > Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant merge the PR. > Uh, words have meanings. There would be no point of putting something into our documentation that we are not going to follow through with. By merging it, the idea would be that the first comm

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: >> What does "implement" mean? > > Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant merge the PR. Uh, words have meanings. There would be no point of putting something into our documentation that we are not going to follow through with. -- David Kastrup

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

> What does "implement" mean? Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant merge the PR.

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: > One procedural question: what are acceptance procedures for a PR like > this? There is good debate and a variety of opinions, but at a certain > point we will need to make a decision - do we implement the CoC or > not? What does "implement" mean? > I doubt that any new ar

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

One procedural question: what are acceptance procedures for a PR like this? There is good debate and a variety of opinions, but at a certain point we will need to make a decision - do we implement the CoC or not? I doubt that any new arguments will emerge on either side. David has made several

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: > Mike Solomon writes: > >> The preamble and intent is one thing; adding a corrective committee >> with the authority to enact punishments based on anonymous reports >> is another. It implements hierarchies and institutions exerting >> coercive power based on incomplete and

RE: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: > The preamble and intent is one thing; adding a corrective committee with the > authority to enact punishments based on anonymous reports is another. It > implements hierarchies and institutions exerting coercive power based on > incomplete and secret information. That

RE: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Janek Warchoł writes: > Hi, > > śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik napisał: > >> What problem are we trying to solve here? >> > > In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you > specific > examples) that having code of conduct encourages contributions from > newcomers. > I r

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Another remark: Mike Solomon writes: > At the Salzburg meetup, one common thing a lot of people brought up > was a slow-down in development and a shrinking pool of contributors. > IMO we should do several experiments to fix this. The CoC I proposed > is used in over 40,000 projects including m

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Mike Solomon writes: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> Hi, >> >> śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik napisał: >> >>> What problem are we trying to solve here? >>> >> >> In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you >> specific >> examples) that having code of conduct encourages con

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Janek Warchoł writes: > Hi, > > śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik napisał: > >> What problem are we trying to solve here? >> > > In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you specific > examples) that having code of conduct encourages contributions from > newcomers. I rather

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/05 09:03:22, hahnjo wrote: > In my opinion we should have a thread on lilypond-devel. In particular it should > lay out what the motivation is / which problem is to be solved. (see questions > by David and Karlin) Other questions: You're asking for agreement from "the whole LilyPond co

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

On 2020/02/05 08:44:06, janek wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > śr., 5 lut 2020 o 09:18 napisał(a): > > > Not having read any of this, I strongly suggest that this is discussed > > on lilypond-devel _before_ anything is brought to review. Discussion on > > GitHub is fine, b

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi Jonas, śr., 5 lut 2020 o 09:18 napisał(a): > Not having read any of this, I strongly suggest that this is discussed > on lilypond-devel _before_ anything is brought to review. Discussion on > GitHub is fine, but I for one wasn't aware that there is one! > Thank you for being open. I consider

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Not having read any of this, I strongly suggest that this is discussed on lilypond-devel _before_ anything is brought to review. Discussion on GitHub is fine, but I for one wasn't aware that there is one! https://codereview.appspot.com/575620043/

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

Hi, śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik napisał: > What problem are we trying to solve here? > In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you specific examples) that having code of conduct encourages contributions from newcomers. Also, it's simply good to have a lightweight pro

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

I am trying to understand the origins, motivations, and goals of this effort to adopt a Code of Conduct. Could its proponents read and comment on the following blog posts, identifying points of agreement and disagreement? https://www.wingolog.org/archives/2017/09/04/the-hardest-thing-about-hiring-

Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)

What problem are we trying to solve here? https://codereview.appspot.com/575620043/