Re: Stable release state

2013-04-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi all, 2013/4/6 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: i think that its essential for us to first have a voice chat about all the problems that we're currently having. I believe that our problems cannot be effectively solved by mailing list discussions. What do you think and when do you

Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
With the recent batch of material with missing documentation, extensive code changes and new functionality without previous exposure and moving interfaces (like commit 88d306d9c5666b5ade4a136df29cca19c5ff5ed7 Author: Mike Solomon m...@apollinemike.com Date: Sat Apr 6 09:54:58 2013 +0200

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 6 avr. 2013, at 12:07, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: With the recent batch of material with missing documentation, extensive code changes and new functionality without previous exposure and moving interfaces (like commit 88d306d9c5666b5ade4a136df29cca19c5ff5ed7 Author: Mike Solomon

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 6 avr. 2013, at 12:07, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: With the recent batch of material with missing documentation, extensive code changes and new functionality without previous exposure and moving interfaces (like commit

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/4/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: master has stopped being suitable for turning into a stable branch. There are several ways forward, none of them particularly endearing. [] Developers simply can't be interested in doing and not doing what would be important for a stable release.

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Any option I forgot here? Declare a feature freeze for a few weeks, with only trivial additions and fixes for regressions and documentation issues. And *no* development branch (except private ones). This should enforce all parties to concentrate on the release, together with proper testing.

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Any option I forgot here? Declare a feature freeze for a few weeks, with only trivial additions and fixes for regressions and documentation issues. The time for a formal decision was too late, the more active developers informally agreed to try and nobody

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Declare a feature freeze for a few weeks, with only trivial additions and fixes for regressions and documentation issues. The time for a formal decision was too late, the more active developers informally agreed to try and nobody bothered actually doing so. Hmm. We discussed that,

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Declare a feature freeze for a few weeks, with only trivial additions and fixes for regressions and documentation issues. The time for a formal decision was too late, the more active developers informally agreed to try and nobody bothered actually doing

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Stable release state Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Declare a feature freeze for a few weeks, with only trivial

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: At present, we're actually premature in proposing a freeze to make ready for a release candidate. We have a number of outstanding critical bugs and regressions which need fixing before we go anywhere with a new stable release. So, currently, step one

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:07 AM it is clear that master has stopped being suitable for turning into a stable branch. There are several ways forward, none of them particularly endearing. a) cut the stable branch before the last batch of changes and accumulate only

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Stable release state Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: At present, we're

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Stable release state Phil Holmes m

Re: Stable release state

2013-04-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
During this two-month period, the only (non-documentation) changes that may be made are changes that fix bugs or new ports which do not require changes to other parts of the compiler. New functionality may not be introduced during this period. Yes! This is what I call a