What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-14 Thread David Kastrup
What should it be? The presence of a \layout block in a score makes for typeset output. \paper contains things like paper dimensions only necessary for typeset output. Also base file names that are also relevant for MIDI. Global markup currently only gets to see the \paper block. That also co

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 14/01/2023 à 22:10, David Kastrup a écrit : What should it be? I have no idea. My own gut feeling is that output defs need a redesign and reimplementation from scratch anyway. In an ideal world, we wouldn't even have the paper/layout/midi distinction. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenP

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread David Kastrup
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Le 14/01/2023 à 22:10, David Kastrup a écrit : >> What should it be? > > > I have no idea. My own gut feeling is that output defs need a redesign > and reimplementation from scratch anyway. In an ideal world, we wouldn't > even have the paper/layout/midi distinction. I

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
I don't see that. layout/midi are different output media. paper has some overarching information (like base file names). It also contains some information pertinent to typesetting a whole document as opposed to single scores, like paper dimensions. Things like staff sizes are a whole lot mu

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken into account, but not during page spacing. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signatur

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Am 15.01.23 um 20:20 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken into account, but not during page spacing. Do you ha

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 15/01/2023 à 20:23, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : Am 15.01.23 um 20:20 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken in

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-26 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Jean Abou Samra writes: > >> Le 14/01/2023 à 22:10, David Kastrup a écrit : >>> What should it be? >> >> >> I have no idea. My own gut feeling is that output defs need a redesign >> and reimplementation from scratch anyway. In an ideal world, we wouldn't >> even have the

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-02-24 Thread Trevor Bača
On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 4:10 PM David Kastrup wrote: > > What should it be? > > The presence of a \layout block in a score makes for typeset output. > \paper contains things like paper dimensions only necessary for typeset > output. Also base file names that are also relevant for MIDI. > > Globa