Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-10 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 01:21:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> I mean, we have too few categories for regressions. I can see the >> following: > -snip- >> My personal opinion is that > > My personal opinion is that we should not discuss major policy > changes in the

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 09:06:10PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: > > > My personal opinion is that we should not discuss major policy > > changes in the middle of a thread about dots and staff sizes. > > It was in the course of changing the status to "Critical". That was

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-10 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 09:06:10PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >> >> > My personal opinion is that we should not discuss major policy >> > changes in the middle of a thread about dots and staff sizes. >> >> It was in the course of changing t

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:51:11PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Graham Percival writes: I'll only address "meta-discussion" points here. > > What about the next one? Phil has been learning how to do it, and I > > certainly won't call *him* a trained monkey... but his expertise is > > documen

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:51:11PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: > > > I'll only address "meta-discussion" points here. > >> > What about the next one? Phil has been learning how to do it, and I >> > certainly won't call *him* a trained monkey.

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, i said that i'll post an answer to this thread, so here it is :) David and Graham are clearly speaking from two different points of view. Or, to be (hopefully) more accurate, they are on two orthogonal planes. David is an experienced developer. He can judge LilyPond code better than many o

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > i said that i'll post an answer to this thread, so here it is :) > > David and Graham are clearly speaking from two different points of > view. Or, to be (hopefully) more accurate, they are on two orthogonal > planes. > > David is an experienced developer. He can judge L

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: >> Graham's focus is on transparent /rules/ that are easy to follow, and >> preferably won't lay *too* much responsibility on Release Manager's >> shoulders. > > To be exact: none. > >> And, above all, won't require the

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Janek Warchoł writes: >>> Graham's focus is on transparent /rules/ that are easy to follow, and >>> preferably won't lay *too* much responsibility on Release Manager's >>> shoulders. >> >> To be exact: none. >> >>>

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> This is important, too, because Graham won't always be the Project >> Manager. It's also not guaranteed that there'll always be an >> experienced developer with sufficient time to handle release tasks. > > I just d

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Trevor Daniels" To: "David Kastrup" ; "Janek Warchoł" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: Re: clear policy discussions a) a release-meister with responsibility to take all decisions. That's what Han-We

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
"Trevor Daniels" writes: > David Kastrup wrote Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM > > >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >>> This is important, too, because Graham won't always be the Project >>> Manager. It's also not guaranteed that there'll always be an >>> experienced developer with sufficient time to

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Trevor Daniels" > To: "David Kastrup" ; "Janek Warchoł" > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: clear policy discussions > > >> a) a

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:43 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: >> Obviously, Graham would like to "dumb down" the rules as much as >> possible indeed (as long as he is the Release Manager it means less >> work for him). But he didn't say that the rules *must* be 100% >> dumbed-dow

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:43 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Janek Warchoł writes: > In particular since it would make those others feel like they count, do something for the success of the project, and are part of a team turning out code, decisions, and relea

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 06:23:57PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Trevor Daniels" > > > >a) a release-meister with responsibility to take all decisions. > >That's what Han-Wen used to do, I believe. It worked > >quite well, although Graham will have more of an in

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 05:27:57PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > And, above all, won't require the Release Manager to be an expert > > programmer. > > Or communicator. Or look at recent issue reports more thoroughly than > counting "Critical" labels to get an impression

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > David, > > I realize that you are angry, but please stop using words like > "monkey" I'm responsible for "monkey". You asked to stop using it, but i continued to do so (not because of malice - i just didn't find good replacement). I apolo

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 06:23:57PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: >> - Original Message - From: "Trevor Daniels" >> >> >> >a) a release-meister with responsibility to take all decisions. >> >That's what Han-Wen used to do, I believe. It worked >> >quite well, altho

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-14 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Graham Percival > wrote: >> David, >> >> I realize that you are angry, but please stop using words like >> "monkey" > > I'm responsible for "monkey". You asked to stop using it, but i > continued to do so (not because of malice - i just d

clear policy discussions (was: Issue 2648 in lilypond: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41)

2012-07-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 01:21:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > I mean, we have too few categories for regressions. I can see the > following: -snip- > My personal opinion is that My personal opinion is that we should not discuss major policy changes in the middle of a thread about dots and staf