Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:42 PM On 8/5/09 2:44 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Carl, Marc After the long discussion about naming the new cross-head function and associated predefs I see you have retained deadNote as the base name. I thought the outcome of the

Re: LilyPond concept glossary?

2009-08-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM Trevor Daniels wrote Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:16 PM Mark Polesky wrote Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:06 PM It would be nice to have some central place that explains some "internals" concepts. ... It would be nice to have

Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:07 PM On 8/5/09 7:22 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: I think it was a pity that the groundwork for a more generic approach was not laid down right away, so we could have easily added the aliases for all the other uses of crossheads I

Unable to use git

2009-08-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:21 PM I've not been able to connect to git via SSH since Saturday, and nothing I've tried has worked. I'd like to take care of that first, but I'm out of ideas. Can you remind us what you have tried so far? Re-boot (obviously yes?) Obtain fre

Re: [frogs] Regression in docs: Output-suffix does not work as documented in AU 3.2.1

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:51 AM On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12:59AM +0100, Ian Hulin wrote: This is AU section 3.2.1 -- If ‘filename.ly’ contains more than one \score block, then the rest of the scores will be output in numbered files, starting with ‘filename-1.p

Broken refs

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham I've just pushed another fix for broken refs resulting from your doc reorganisation. As there seems to be no replacement nodes all I can do is comment them out with a FIXME. Any chance you could add replacement nodes as you go so we can fix the links properly rather than scattering F

Re: LilyPond concept glossary?

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
John Mandereau wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:47 PM At least one of the terms listed by Mark is introduced in the Learning Manual: "grob" in 4.1.2 Objects and interfaces. I see this glossary could be a quick reference that briefly defines each term and gives cross-references to document

Re: Broken refs

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:06 AM On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:50:56AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I've just pushed another fix for broken refs resulting from your doc reorganisation. Oops, I forgot that I need to "touch foo.tely" before testing. That

Re: Broken refs

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
John Mandereau wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:06 PM Le jeudi 06 ao=C3=BBt 2009 =C3=A0 11:35 +0100, Trevor Daniels a =C3=A9crit = : Have you tried building docs inside the source tree? No; I'm on Windows Vista, so building isn't an option, is it? I generated my own script

Re: Broken refs

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
John, you wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:01 PM No; I'm on Windows Vista, so building isn't an option, is it? No, but you can still run check-xrefs and fix-xrefs, but it will complain about missing files markup*.tely, internals.tely and so on. Good. In that case I'll leave them for som

Re: 2.13.4 release soon?

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:26 PM Anything holding up 2.13.4? By now there are so many new things that I'd like to try, but I'm a non-compiler, so... I'm stuck too. Neil updated the LSR today, so now lots of snippets require 2.13.4 and I can no longer compile the docs easi

Re: 2.13.4 release soon?

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:58 PM 2009/8/6 Trevor Daniels : I'm stuck too. Neil updated the LSR today, so now lots of snippets require 2.13.4 and I can no longer compile the docs easily, so can't check any edits I make. I'm sorry as always when this

Re: conditionally eliminating lyric extender

2009-08-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren I'm not sure I understand the need for this. Maybe I'm missing something (it wouldn't be unusual :) I would not normally use a lyric extender unless the syllable had an extended duration over several notes or was sung to a long note. This occurs far less frequently than a 2-note melisma.

Re: 2.13.4 release soon?

2009-08-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham wrote Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:53 PM Sorry, not this time. The purpose of the unstable releases is to aid the development effort; it doesn't make sense to hold Trevor and Mark back just because the doc build is in flux. The MinGW build that Neil made is fine, Graham, so there's no

Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Friday, August 07, 2009 2:49 PM On 8/5/09 7:19 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:42 PM If we decide to use this same function for the general case of switching to a cross-shaped notehead, then we will redefine it

Re: conditionally eliminating lyric extender

2009-08-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Kieren, I'm not sure I understand the need for this. I would not normally use a lyric extender unless the syllable had an extended duration over several notes or was sung to a long note. This occurs far less frequently than a 2-note melisma. Do you attach lyric extenders unconditionally to

Re: HTML formatting for *all* LSR snippets descriptions?

2009-08-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Valentin Villenave wrote Friday, August 07, 2009 9:45 PM So, I'm thinking that we'd better junk these pseudo-options, and ask Seba to make HTML formatting allowed in all snippet descriptions. Thoughts? Sounds reasonable. Do we make it clear anywhere what html markup is permitted in snippet

Re: git hang-ups

2009-08-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Patrick McCarty wrote Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:00 AM On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:39:16PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: Patrick McCarty wrote: > I've just tested git's shallow cloning feature. It's pretty > neat. > :-) > > From what I can see, shallow clones would be okay for *casual* > co

Re: \context for named Staff

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan Sunday, August 09, 2009 4:47 AM From my point of view the main use for smallStaff (or whatever it gets called) is for ossia staves. Except IIRC ossia staves and solo/cue staves are usually of different sizes, yes? In scores for a capella vocal music a piano accompaniment

Re: alternatives not taken into account in automatic accidentals

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 7:31 PM Well, that's not a functional barline, it's just printed. It's similar to putting ":|" which prints a repeat sign, but doesn't cause LilyPond to recognize the previous section as repeated. I guess NR 1.2.5 could make this clearer. original par

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Patrick McCarty wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:36 AM On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:21:42PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: Hmm, I just realized that the inconsistency still exists, even with my patch. Here's an example: \relative c'' { a8 a a a a8 a a a a16 a a8 a a a8 a16 a a

Re: getting source with git

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Patrick McCarty wrote Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:33 PM On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 01:59:50AM -0700, Graham Percival wrote: A few people talked about browsing the history, which surprised me. Whenever I want to look at history, I use the web git interface. But evidently other people don't sha

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:59 PM Could the two of you please take some of these examples and beam them manually so that I can see what they *should* do? I'll then try to figure out why the autobeam engraver doesn't do it. Some explanation as to *why* it should work the w

Re: the "r" in "git pull -r"

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:48 AM On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:45:05PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le samedi 08 août 2009 à 13:55 -0600, Carl Sorensen a écrit : > As a practical matter, -r first applies the changes that were > made on origin > (since your branch was check

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:31 AM 2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns? I think all of your manually-beamed patterns are correct though. Trevor's using the MinGW build I posted a few days ago, so it's missing Carl's last change

Re: the "r" in "git pull -r"

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 9:18 AM On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:45:22AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:48 AM I maoing hate git. Git is fine; the complexity comes from the baroque structures in LilyPond. Let's be tha

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 8:49 AM Neil Puttock wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 12:31 AM 2009/8/10 Patrick McCarty : I wonder why we are seeing different beaming patterns? I think all of your manually-beamed patterns are correct though. Trevor's using the MinGW bu

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl, you wrote Monday, August 10, 2009 10:58 PM On 8/10/09 9:14 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: With all Carl's mods applied just the expected two inconsistencies remain: \relative c'' { a8 a a16 a a8 a a a a16 a | % wrong, should be ... a8 a a16[ a a8] a a a[

Re: Changing autobeaming for 4/4 time

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
id earlier that this is a more fundamental problem. Trevor - Original Message - From: "Carl Sorensen" To: "Trevor Daniels" ; "Neil Puttock" ; "Patrick McCarty" Cc: "lilypond-devel" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:25 PM Subject:

Re: update from the git battlefield

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:25 AM I'm git-weary but still alive. Johannes spent *hours* debugging my problem, and eventually traced it to an undiscovered bug in gitk that only affects Microsoft Windows... Nice to have you operational again. Thanks Johannes! Can you say w

Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Friday, August 07, 2009 2:49 PM The generic approach has now been pushed to git 247f0b6d46fd8f3253a99f95a70ce14345daa5f9 There's a generic styledNoteHeads music function that applies a note style to music whether or not it's in a chord construct. deadNotes and palmMute

Re: update from the git battlefield

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Johannes Schindelin wrote Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:51 PM On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Trevor Daniels wrote: Mark Polesky wrote Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:25 AM > > I'm git-weary but still alive. Johannes spent *hours* debugging > my problem, and eventually traced it to an undisco

Re: LilyPond concept glossary?

2009-08-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:18 PM My "concept glossary" idea is now called a "technical glossary". I thought the name was fine when it was suggested, but now I'm realizing something -- I'd also like it to list terms that are not specifically dealing with LilyPond *internals*.

Doc commits

2009-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Mark Good to see you pushing again! But could you preface commits which affect only docs with "Docs: " please. It helps code developers with better things to do to skip uninteresting commits. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-d

Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen Friday, August 07, 2009 2:49 PM The generic approach has now been pushed to git 247f0b6d46fd8f3253a99f95a70ce14345daa5f9 There's a generic styledNoteHeads music function that applies a note style to music whether or not it's in a chord construct. Carl, I am part-way through

Re: PATCH: Improved tablature support

2009-08-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:32 PM And if we're ever going to move it to a postfix operator (which is one of the goals of the GLISS project), now is the time, before we get a strong codebase of music function applications. I'm beginning to wonder whether this is a desira

Re: patch to fix text color in PDF output

2009-08-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Andrew Hawryluk wrote Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:18 AM Long ago I noticed that the text in our PDF manuals is fully black, which results in rough-looking text when printed: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-10/msg00059.html Attached is a patch which corrects this, and th

Re: fixing the command index (was Re: [PATCH] Add @funindex for \fffff.)

2009-08-16 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:26 AM 3) Make the "command index" strictly a *command* index. Add a separate "property index" strictly for properties. It could even be on the same page -- just the existence of a menu with the two different node names should be enough to hel

Re: LilyPond strings and \markup

2009-08-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark I'm top-posting as I'm not answering any of your specific questions. If you really want to understand how data types are defined you will need to understand how lexers and parsers work first. To help, I've just added a few more clues to the Technical glossary. Then you will find all th

Re: `installed files' issues

2009-08-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Monday, August 17, 2009 6:42 PM I've just seen this change in a recent commit: +...@seealso + +Installed Files: +...@file{lily/parser.yy} IMHO, this is not correct: lily/parser.yy does *not* get installed at all! Either we introduce a special macro which points to t

Re: Automatically checking regtests (was: Re: Minor releases?)

2009-08-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 17, 2009 10:35 PM On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 05:17:08PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Montag, 17. August 2009 16:08:36 schrieb Michael Käppler: > > > (nobody checks the regression tests for each release, for > > example > > -- and that's trivially don

Re: unclear code comment

2009-08-18 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:04 AM Mark Polesky wrote: > What does this mean? > > ly/music-functions-init.ly > > 476 %% Todo: > 477 %% doing > 478 %% define-music-function in a .scm causes crash. Nevermind. I'm an idiot. I get it. Actually, strike that. What does this c

Re: Fwd: GDP Docs compilation FAILED (2009.08.19-04:27)

2009-08-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:00 PM I get the same thing even with "make". I've reverted Trevor's commit, although I have no clue what's wrong. These errors generally mean that the @menu wasn't updated, but he did that perfectly (as far as I can see). I'm baffled, but d

Re: organizing property-init.ly

2009-08-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:59 AM I made an attempt at cleaning up property-init.ly. I included my revised file (not a patch) Mostly I'm curious to know if there's anything I'm doing here that goes against coding conventions or anything like that. Or if I'm making things wors

The Prob class

2009-08-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
I'm trying to complete the 'prob' entry in the Technical glossary. From a position of ignorance I've come up with this: "PRoperty OBjects, or @strong{probs} for short, are instances of the @code{Prob} class, a simple base class for objects which have mutable and immutable property alists. The

Re: \context for named Staff

2009-08-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Marc Hohl wrote Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:30 PM Jay Anderson schrieb: [...] So what do you think? Should the "SmallStaff" just be left as a snippet? If it is a snippet ideally I'd want to do something like: \include "small_staff.lyi" \score { \new SmallStaff {...} } How would one make

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:23 AM There is a horizontal offset bug if a markup is attached to a skip. Look at this small example: \paper { ragged-right = ##f } foo = { s1 \time 7/8 s8*7^"foobar" \time 10/8 } bar = { R1 R8*7 } << \context St

Re: [PATCH] Enhancement: automatic polyphony in different \...Staffcontexts

2009-08-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:16 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: Here's what I recommend (I didn't used to do this, but it seems to be a better way to work). git branch newfeature git checkout newfeature git rebase -i master git rebase -I SHA1-ID-of-the-parent-of-branch-newfeature

Re: [PATCH] Enhancement: automatic polyphony in different \...Staffcontexts

2009-08-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25 AM From: Trevor Daniels [t.dani...@treda.co.uk] Not sure these rebases are necessary if you are going to use cherrypick rather than merge. Yes, your method works OK. I use the rebase to get all of my work into a single commit, instead of

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Monday, August 24, 2009 3:08 PM This effect seems to be a consequence of ragged-right = ##f together with a second bar containing a single note (or space). When the second bar is stretched to fill the line the note gets displaced almost to the centre of the bar. This si

Change to Split in manuals?

2009-08-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
It seems there has been a change in the splitting of manuals on kainhofer. They no longer split at numbered sections but only at the second level. So the whole of Pitches, for example, comes as a single html page. Is this deliberate or an error? Trevor __

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Monday, August 24, 2009 9:52 PM I would argue against introducing this complication. Positioning spacer rests differently to notes of the same duration does not seem a good idea. Well, my example shows that it actually uses a *different* position compared to the full

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-25 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:52 AM Both the note and the spacer in the second bar are positioned in roughly the centre of the bar, although interestingly not quite in identical positions. I don't know why they differ slightly, but you see my point. Here's another examp

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-25 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:45 AM I think you mean "added to the snippets" (via LSR). No, I mean documentation, since the difference in behaviour between full rest skips and ordinary skips must be documented properly. I'll wait for the response to the bug report befor

Re: horizontal offset bug of skip markups

2009-08-28 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:11 PM After all, it is very easy to place the markup where you want it by simply using two spacer notes: foo = { s1 \time 7/8 s8^"foobar" s8*6 \time 10/8 } OK, I haven't thought of that solution, thanks. This should perhaps be added to

Re: priority problem \fermataMarkup vs. text markup

2009-09-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:44 AM Hmm. I currently can't imagine a situation where a value > 0 is needed, so I vote to remove the setting of #'outside-staff-priority for MultiMeasureRestText -- however, I'm not sure whether this has any influence to issue #495 (this lo

Re: priority problem \fermataMarkup vs. text markup

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:30 PM It seems sensible to have a distinct, lower, value, but something like 40 would place it below everything else while retaining some future flexibility. OK. Shall I commit this or will you do that? Werner, I'll do it, but I've had se

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joe, you wrote Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:49 PM Attached is a patch to extend the NR documentation on Turkish classical music as defined in the file makam.ly. Thanks for this, but I'm afraid the patch has whitespace errors and also fails to apply. The console output says: Applying Exten

Re: priority problem \fermataMarkup vs. text markup

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:06 PM On 9/2/09 2:41 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: So instead I propose to change the definition of \fermataMarkup to: fermataMarkup = #(make-music 'MultiMeasureTextEvent 'tweaks (list ; Set the 'tex

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joe, you wrote Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:53 PM Trevor Daniels wrote: Thanks for this, but I'm afraid the patch has whitespace errors and also fails to apply. I don't understand what 'whitespace errors' are -- sorry, this is my first time using texinfo and git o

Re: [patch] Spanish updates to MG

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Francisco Vila wrote Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:59 PM Hello, here are some updates to the Spanish definitions of the Music Glossary. Thanks. Applied to origin/master. I've found that church modes are not translated: there is no reference to Ionian, Dorian etc in other languages that

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Wakeling wrote Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:48 PM I think the attached patches should work. They should lack trailing whitespace and I've used git format-patch origin which I hope will generate the patch against the head of the master branch. (Still getting the hang of git; I'm a

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joe, you wrote Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:20 AM Trevor Daniels wrote: Thanks Joe. Initially these patches didn't apply either, but I traced the reason to their having DOS (CRLF) line endings rather than Unix (LF) line endings. When I changed that they applied fine. (This actually

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Joe, you wroteThursday, September 03, 2009 10:35 AM Trevor Daniels wrote: I then looked at the actual mail message. You're using Thunderbird with inline attachments and quoted-printable encoding. This is the problem. I seem to remember Jonathan Kulp discovering that Thunderbird m

Re: [PATCH] Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and makam

2009-09-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Wakeling wrote Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:22 PM ... if the previous patch doesn't work, I hope the one attached to this mail will. Let me know how it goes. :-) Still has DOS line endings :( But it's really not a problem - I can easily change them before applying. I didn't appl

Re: [PATCH] Contemporary music: overview of new specialist notationsection

2009-09-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Joe, you wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 12:42 AM As discussed on the -user list, this is a patch to start a section in the Specialist Notation chapter on contemporary music. I really hope that this patch (or rather, this email containing the patch:-) has avoided the DOS line endings.

kainhofer docs not updating

2009-09-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Reinhold The last doc update on your server was on 1 Sep - has something broken? I see there are several broken links following Graham's recent reorganisation. Let me know if this is the problem and I'll fix them. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel maili

Re: kainhofer docs not updating

2009-09-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 10:03 PM On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:38PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: The last doc update on your server was on 1 Sep - has something broken? I see there are several broken links following Graham's recent reorganisation. Let me kn

Re: [PATCH] Contemporary music: pitch and harmony.

2009-09-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Joe, you wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 3:49 PM Hope the previous message works. It's a small, incremental change, just to see if git-send-email will work where Thunderbird clearly doesn't ... :-) If this is an acceptable way to send patches, shall I add a section to the CG describi

Re: kainhofer docs not updating

2009-09-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 10:51 PM Am Freitag, 4. September 2009 23:12:00 schrieb Trevor Daniels: Graham Percival wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 10:03 PM > Oh, I see it now. Remember that we currently need to touch any > docs we want updated. I've jus

Re: kainhofer docs not updating

2009-09-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:43 AM On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 12:35:06AM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Samstag, 5. September 2009 00:12:44 schrieb Trevor Daniels: > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote Friday, September 04, 2009 10:51 PM > > It seems that the NR w

Re: Contemporary music documentation

2009-09-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:46 AM On 9/5/09 7:12 PM, "Graham Percival" wrote: Hmm. This could be a meaningless semantic quibble, or it could be something that's fundamental to the docs, GLISS, and development in general. Is a change to the autobeaming, done via \over

Re: Contemporary music documentation

2009-09-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:13 PM On 9/5/09 1:13 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: No. It's much easier to write documentation than it is to add commands. I would not want to delay useful additions to the documentation or to put off a keen documentatio

Re: [PATCH] Doc: sketch of topics for contemporary approaches to rhythm

2009-09-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Thanks Joe - applied and pushed to origin/master. The attached patch still had DOS endings, no problem with that, but it lacked a commit message and your email address, so I had to add those. Your previous method of creating patches included these in the patch. Could you use that method in futu

The \\ construct for simultaneous voices

2009-09-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
I've finally got around to thinking about the introduction to parallel voices in the Learning Manual - currently sections 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. You'll remember the many discussions about the two constructs - explicit voices and the \\ construct, and the final agreement to introduce explicit voices f

Re: [PATCH] Doc: Further Reading for contemporary music

2009-09-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Wakeling wrote Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:36 PM OK, I think I've cracked the problem of patches with Thunderbird. The problem is that Thunderbird takes .patch files to be of mime-type text/x-diff. Renaming the file to end in .txt changes its opinion of the file type and allows th

Re: [PATCH] Doc: Further Reading for contemporary music

2009-09-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, September 07, 2009 12:53 AM On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:22:42PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Joseph Wakeling wrote Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:36 PM This probably _is_ something which should be in the docs as it's not something you would imagine would

Re: [PATCH] Doc: Further Reading for contemporary music

2009-09-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Wakeling wrote Monday, September 07, 2009 12:41 AM Joseph Wakeling wrote: the duplication of two @nodes called 'Further reading' may break the doc build -- just checking that now. Duplicate node names in the same manual do break the build. ... which the attached patch should fix.

Re: The \\ construct for simultaneous voices

2009-09-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:34 PM \\ is quite more convenient than explicit voices and thus an important idiom that makes Lilypond friendlier to the user. Yes, but as previously discussed, the confusion it (ultimately) causes is a poor trade-off. The whole problem w

Re: The \\ construct for simultaneous voices

2009-09-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Monday, September 07, 2009 7:40 PM which works fine, if I understand what you want. So I was wondering if Trevor was referring to something else... Yes, I was thinking more of \lyricsto, which needs a named context, and perhaps SATB on two staves. I originally place

Re: The \\ construct for simultaneous voices

2009-09-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:08 PM Does this mean you don't need me to immediately rework how \\ voicifies? I think I'll go ahead with the reordering anyway, although it might take a while, as I have limited time at present. So let's decouple the rewrite of docs and

Re: Overview of copyright issues + Debian

2009-09-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Wakeling wrote Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:10 PM What would be good is if as many contributors as possible can reply to this email just to OK (i) my putting copyright/licensing notices in the files they have contributed to and (ii) their licensing preferences for their contribution

Change of line-width in docs

2009-09-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
I've just noticed that the line-width, set in the paper block in ly fragments in the docs, has changed recently. The latest development release on lilypond.org has \paper { #(define dump-extents #t) line-width = 160\mm - 2.0 * 0.4\in ragged-right = ##t indent = 0\mm force-assignment = #""

Re: Change of line-width in docs

2009-09-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:00 AM On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:16:28PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: The change from 160\mm to 5\in shortens the line by around 33\mm, which wrecks at least one example It was not deliberate to change the docs lnie-width. I that

Re: Change of line-width in docs

2009-09-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:20 PM On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 09:34:35AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:00 AM It was not deliberate to change the docs lnie-width. I that case I'd like to change it back.

Re: Change of line-width in docs

2009-09-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:49 PM That said, I could have done the same mistake as you did a week ago by moving @afourpaper to macros.itexi :-P Ok, I'll move them out. Thanks Graham - that will fix it. I'd have spotted this sooner if I'd looked at learning.tely :(

Re: [PATCH] New margin handling - final version (updated)

2009-09-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:45 PM 2009/9/13 Michael Käppler : Btw. I don't understand, why lilypond-book inserts no line-width value when called with fragment. What is the reason for this behaviour? I'm not sure, to be honest. I think lilypond-book inserts line-wid

Re: GUB windows 2.13.4

2009-09-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:27 AM There's a test windows version at http://lilypond.org/~graham/ Again, it's not the final one, blah blah. Downloads, installs and compiles all the snippets in tweaks.itely just fine using Vista home premium. Trevor ___

Re: GUB windows 2.13.4

2009-09-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:27 AM There's a test windows version at http://lilypond.org/~graham/ Again, it's not the final one, blah blah. The installation includes a hierarchy of directories under /usr/docs, all of which are empty. Presumably an error? Trevor _

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-21 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:26 PM I was confused because Joseph keeps on talking about wanting to copy "code" from the documentation, and Trevor Daniels recently said "you know what? you guys are nutters. Do whatever you want with my stuff, now shut

Re: Texinfo macros without arguments

2009-09-21 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Monday, September 21, 2009 10:23 PM Recently I've been getting loads of error messages when building the docs; they all relate to Texinfo macros which don't have arguments. Has the version of texinfo you are using changed? I use texi2html, admittedly a very old version, f

Re: lilypond programming manual

2009-09-28 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, September 28, 2009 8:14 PM On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:53:26PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 9/27/09 11:55 AM, "John Mandereau" wrote: > Le dimanche 27 septembre 2009 à 17:37 +0100, Graham Percival a > écrit : > Certainly. However, when we decide time has

Re: quick question: web manuals presentation

2009-10-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
I much prefer the Glossary page. It is much clearer. The space on the left will accommodate a longer description easily and the reading instructions are grouped neatly together on the right. Trevor - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12

Re: Engraving essay questions and RFC

2009-10-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Andrew Generally looking good. A few comments, mostly minor: a) Page 2 has the phrase "Not let down, we created a font of musical symbols" "Not to be deterred," or "Undiscouraged," would be better. b) Where you compare the shapes of the quarter rests on page 2 it might be better to draw

Re: 2.13.6

2009-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, October 12, 2009 3:57 PM Try another one. Can you remind me where it is. The mingw binaries on linuxaudio don't include it. As an aside, I'm traumatized. Three people in the lab did a double-take and exclaimed "you're running WINDOWS?!". Lots of people hav

Re: 2.13.6

2009-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Installs and runs fine under Vista, at least with a couple of short tests. I'll try something more substantial later ... Trevor - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: "Trevor Daniels" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: 2.13.

Re: patch: tablature and MultiMeasureRestNumber

2009-10-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Marc Should not the \revert be limited to TabVoice to avoid reverting the property in other contexts? The same could be said for some of the other \reverts too. Trevor - Original Message - From: "Marc Hohl" To: "Lily-Devel List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:14 AM Subject:

Re: patch: tablature and MultiMeasureRestNumber

2009-10-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Marc Hohl wrote Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:36 AM Trevor Daniels schrieb: Marc Should not the \revert be limited to TabVoice to avoid reverting the property in other contexts? The same could be said for some of the other \reverts too. Yes, of course. Attached is a reworked patch

Re: patch: tablature and MultiMeasureRestNumber

2009-10-16 Thread Trevor Daniels
Marc Hohl wrote Friday, October 16, 2009 7:30 AM Trevor Daniels schrieb: Marc Hohl wrote Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:36 AM Trevor Daniels schrieb: Marc Should not the \revert be limited to TabVoice to avoid reverting the property in other contexts? The same could be said for some of

Re: Accordion register symbols

2009-10-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
David It would make a great snippet! Adding \textLengthOn \override TextScript #'padding = #1.5 improves the layout. If you could add it to the LSR I'll include it in the Notation Reference. Trevor - Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009

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