Automatic beaming

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Hello, I sent this mail yesterday with the graphics attached, but it did not appear in the mailing list. I resend it with an link to the graphic at a web server. Hope this passes the moderation. I write a piece with where are a lot of triplets in one variation. It looks nice to have the

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
This looks like a syntactic nightmare. You are suggesting c4 c 4 - c4 c4 c4 i.e. making white space syntactically significant. Honestly, this would be OK with me. How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same as `c4' (I wasn't, BTW)? Is this ever documented? Do we have a single

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 08:42:43AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: This looks like a syntactic nightmare. You are suggesting c4 c 4 - c4 c4 c4 i.e. making white space syntactically significant. Honestly, this would be OK with me. How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same

Re: Automatic beaming

2009-04-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Helge Kruse wrote Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:22 AM I write a piece with where are a lot of triplets in one variation. It looks nice to have the beaming in the same length as the triplets as it is done in the hand writing original. I found in the manual (1.2.4 Beams) that I can manually set

Combining autochange and normal notation

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Hello, I have a variation of a piece, where the first lines are played single voice over two staves and the other lines are normal upper/lower staves. To avoid a lot of silent rests I want to use the \autochange in the PianoStaff for the first lines and append the other in the same score.

Re: Automatic beaming

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Trevor Daniels wrote: Helge Kruse wrote Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:22 AM I write a piece with where are a lot of triplets in one variation. It looks nice to have the beaming in the same length as the triplets as it is done in the hand writing original. I found in the manual (1.2.4 Beams) that

Re: Automatic beaming

2009-04-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Helge This works with 2.11.65: % real score, automatic beaming, does NOT work % Works with added revert -td \score { \relative c'' { \clef treble \key as \minor \time 2/4 #(revert-auto-beam-setting '(end * * 2 4) 1 4 'Staff) \set Staff.beatLength = #(ly:make-moment 1 8) %\set

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/5 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: Honestly, this would be OK with me.  How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same as `c4' (I wasn't, BTW)?  Is this ever documented? Do we have a single example which makes use of this syntactic possibility? Not that I know of (I wasn't aware either

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 12:27:36PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: PS: besides, what's with you guys and this c4 obsession; have you been playing terrorist video games lately or what? :-) Interesting. I've no idea what you are talking about, but I conclude that you like to play terrorist

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same as `c4' I am -- I use whitespace quite consciously/critically. Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same as `c4' I am -- I use whitespace quite consciously/critically. Congrats :-) Do you actually use `c 4'? Or would you object to such a syntax change? Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Werner (et al.) Do you actually use `c 4'? I don't use that exact construct. Or would you object to such a syntax change? Only if it (adversely) affected the flexibility of whitespace elsewhere -- for example, g~ versus g ~ g( versus g ( etc. If the parser is smart

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Or would you object to such a syntax change? Only if it (adversely) affected the flexibility of whitespace elsewhere -- for example, g~ versus g ~ g( versus g ( etc. I use `g ~' also If the parser is smart enough to isolate the duration-whitespace from

Re: Automatic beaming

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Thanks, this doesnt work with lilypond 2.11.63 at all. The beams dont end at the triplet boundaries. I try to update to a newer version Yep, 2.11.65 fixed this behavior. Still trying versions 2.13.0-0 does it too. Many thanks, Helge Trevor Daniels wrote: Helge This works with

Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Hello all, One of the delights to see in the News for 2.12 was the new material on quarter-tone and other microtonal notation. However, I have one problem... The standard Lilypond quarter-tone notation uses pitches -is and -es (sharp and flat), -ih and -eh (quarter-tone sharp and flat) and

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/5 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: This looks very artificial... Yes it does; however, it's the only non-breaking way I can see (besides using a new symbol such as ). Granted, it is far-fetched. c4 c 2 seems probably more natural (to me) than c4 c 2 or even c4 4 2 however, the cool part of

Avoiding slur collision with other voice

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Hello, with help by Trevor I got forward a lot with my scores. Currently I still have a little issue with slurs. The original score, that I want to mimic, has slurs _above_ the noteheads: http://dj1na.gmxhome.de/pg-0009.JPG Lilypond puts the slurs below the beams per default. This can be

Re: Avoiding slur collision with other voice

2009-04-05 Thread Helge Kruse
Forgotten sample file attached... Helge Helge Kruse wrote: Hello, with help by Trevor I got forward a lot with my scores. Currently I still have a little issue with slurs. The original score, that I want to mimic, has slurs _above_ the noteheads: http://dj1na.gmxhome.de/pg-0009.JPG

Re: Avoiding slur collision with other voice

2009-04-05 Thread James E. Bailey
To get the output by the sample, I would conceptualise this slightly differently. First, there's no need to keep on writing \times 2/3 {} every time. Lilypond can make that easier for you. Secondly, since a) in the orginal it's done this way and b) it's clear by the musical pattern, I

Re: Avoiding slur collision with other voice

2009-04-05 Thread Trevor Daniels
Helge The 'slurs' in the hand-written score look as if they are really triplet indicators, with the '3' omitted from the later ones. If so, I don't think Lily can do this very well automatically. The closest I can get is to make the tuplet brackets transparent and use slurs, as shown below.

Automatically adding lyric extenders

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Käppler
Hi all, does anybody know a way to get LilyPond to automatically draw extender lines after the last syllable of each word, if the melisma reaches a specified minimal length? Such a behaviour would save large time in entering some kinds of music. Cheers, Michael

How to get a single notation of clifs, keys, or others?

2009-04-05 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Dear all, I'm writing a extension for Sphinx, with which I can write music learning notes. I need to show those clifs, keys, notes, and so on with out staff and other things. My solution is using \new Staff \with { \remove Staff_symbol_engraver \remove Time_signature_engraver \remove

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Hans Aberg
On 5 Apr 2009, at 14:20, Joseph Wakeling wrote: One of the delights to see in the News for 2.12 was the new material on quarter-tone and other microtonal notation. However, I have one problem... Perhaps Graham Breed can help - I cc him. Hans

chordname vertical spacing

2009-04-05 Thread François Labadens
I would like to have chord names nearer to the staff... How can I do that ? thank you for your help, François ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Kees van den Doel
- Original Message - From: Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009 5:21 am Subject: Quarter-tone notation with arrows To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Hello all, One of the delights to see in the News for 2.12 was the new material on quarter-tone and

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Valentin Villenave wrote: Another solution would be to say that numbers-only entry is only possible after having used an explicite duration: e.g. c4 4 4 - c4 c4 c4 but c4 c 4 - c4 c4 This way we wouldn't break any existing code (but good luck for documenting that...) Ugly! Isn't this

Re: How to get a single notation of clifs, keys, or others?

2009-04-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson
If you just want a clef, for example, and nothing else, the easiest is to use a stand-alone markup command: \markup{ \musicglyph #clefs.G } For the white border, I seem to remember that some solutions have been posted on the mailing list. /Mats Wei-Wei Guo wrote: Dear all, I'm writing

Re: How to get a single notation of clifs, keys, or others?

2009-04-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 4/5/09 10:01 AM, Wei-Wei Guo wwgu...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I'm writing a extension for Sphinx, with which I can write music learning notes. I need to show those clifs, keys, notes, and so on with out staff and other things. I'm not sure exactly what you want to show. You say

TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Is there a way to have the TimeSignature stencil output with a thin white border? That way, you could stack Slur, TimeSignature, and StaffSymbol grobs, and the Slur would look like it disappeared behind the TimeSignature. Thanks, Kieren.

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark Polesky
From: Kieren MacMillan Is there a way to have the TimeSignature stencil output with a thin white border? That way, you could stack Slur, TimeSignature, and StaffSymbol grobs, and the Slur would look like it disappeared behind the TimeSignature. Will using markup suffice? \version 2.13.0

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-05 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 10:37:08PM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Just some thoughts about MIDI. Now let's make beautiful scores again using Lilypond. If you want a default velocity of 90 instead of 127: patch attached. Ooops. I forgot to attach my patch. -- Martin Tarenskeen

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-05 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Carl D. Sorensen wrote: Yes, it's probably a good idea. In scm/midi.scm, there is the following: ;; 90 == 90/127 == 0.71 is supposed to be the default value ;; urg: we should set this at start of track (define-public dynamic-default-volume 0.71) As far as I can see, this setting isn't

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-05 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
( My mail client is doing strange things ... this is another attempt to send my message to the mailing list ) On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 08:05:17PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote: Anybody willing to take this on as a patch? It shouldn't be too hard, but I imagine it'll take some time grepping

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: How many users are aware that `c 4' is the same as `c4' I am -- I use whitespace quite consciously/critically. Congrats :-) Do you actually use `c 4'?  Or would you object to such a syntax change? as long as I have anything

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Kees van den Doel wrote: A given alteration results in one specific glyph. :-( Of course a -1/4 flat can be presented by numerous glyphs, anything you like, really, but you'll have to decide which one is the default and if you want another symbol at some point in the score (I can't imagine

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
as long as I have anything to do with LilyPond, I will veto changes like this that introduce inconsistent whitespace handling in the syntax. Please come up with something different. I think the idea to use (for example) as a place holder is much more sane. OK. Then I vote for a letter

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Mark, Will using markup suffice? I've been doing something similar... However, I'd like an automated way of outlining any #'stencil -- maybe it's a task I can accomplish as a Frog? Cheers, Kieren. \version 2.13.0 \markup \combine \musicglyph #clefs.G \whiteout \pad-markup #0.75

Re: default midi velocity

2009-04-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 4/5/09 2:42 PM, Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote: Carl D. Sorensen wrote: Yes, it's probably a good idea. In scm/midi.scm, there is the following: ;; 90 == 90/127 == 0.71 is supposed to be the default value ;; urg: we should set this at start of track (define-public

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/4/5 Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com: Please come up with something different.  I think the idea to use (for example) as a place holder is much more sane. As I suggested, if we forbid such standalone durations after anything else than an explicit duration, it would not break anything

Re: Concert Pitch (a second try)

2009-04-05 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi all, O.K here goes, I've pruned some bits out where we were getting into acoustics, and tweaked a few bits. Cheer Ian Hulin Anthony W. Youngman wrote: 1.64 Concert pitch The convention (standardised by ISO 16) states that A above middle C represents the note at 440 Hertz. This is

Re: TimeSignature with white border?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark Polesky
From: Kieren MacMillan However, I'd like an automated way of outlining any #'stencil -- maybe it's a task I can accomplish as a Frog? Kieren, Here's something to fiddle with. Just a start, but you could develop it more if you're interested. Hope it helps - Mark \version 2.13.0 #(define

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Kees van den Doel
- Original Message - From: Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows To: Kees van den Doel kvand...@shaw.ca Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Kees van den Doel wrote: A given alteration results in one

Re: How to get a single notation of clifs, keys, or others?

2009-04-05 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Hi Mats, If you just want a clef, for example, and nothing else, the easiest is to use a stand-alone markup command: \markup{ \musicglyph #clefs.G } Stand-alone markup is right what I need. The \markup command works for me. I have a further question. Is there a list of musicglyph? I still

Re: How to get a single notation of clifs, keys, or others?

2009-04-05 Thread Wei-Wei Guo
Hi Carl, Mats has answered my first question. Thanks for your reply. Which version of LilyPond are you using? I couldn't find a section 14.11 in any of the current documentation. I'm using version 2.12.1. I only find section 14.11 in user document of version 2.10. Here is the link:

Re: including scheme files?

2009-04-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
#(load myfile.scm) HTH, Carl On 4/5/09 5:19 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: How do I include a scheme file from within a .ly file? I see the source uses (define-module) and (use-modules). I looked at the guile docs, but I couldn't figure it out. Thanks - Mark

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 4/5/09 4:59 PM, Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/5 Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com: Please come up with something different.  I think the idea to use (for example) as a place holder is much more sane. As I suggested, if we forbid such standalone durations

Re: LilyPond, Finale and Sibelius

2009-04-05 Thread Jay Anderson
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: as long as I have anything to do with LilyPond, I will veto changes like this that introduce inconsistent whitespace handling in the syntax.  Please come up with something different.  I think the idea to use (for example) as

Re: Quarter-tone notation with arrows

2009-04-05 Thread Graham Breed
Joseph Wakeling wrote: Another reason could be that if your quarter-tones are _approximate_ rather than precise, it can be helpful to know which of the 12 standard notes you are bending. If there's some intuitive reason for choosing different logical equivalents, perhaps that should be

Re: Concert Pitch (a second try)

2009-04-05 Thread Paul Scott
Ian Hulin wrote: Hi all, O.K here goes, I've pruned some bits out where we were getting into acoustics, and tweaked a few bits. Cheer Ian Hulin (snip) Transposing instruments are named according to the fundamental (known on some brass instruments as the pedal) note. On a