Jesús Guillermo Andrade writes:
> El 12/11/2009, a las 02:17 p.m., David Kastrup escribió:
>> And that's the main point: does the job. The one thing Emacs Lisp has
>> going over Common Lisp that it is a reasonably limited language to
>> learn
>> in comparison. Which is a nuisance to seasoned Li
Hi,
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> >>> I'm talking about developer tools. For example, some months ago I
> >>> got the advice to use "grep" to browse LilyPond source code.
> >>
> >> BTW, have you found something better?
> >>
> > Eclipse is quite good at finding macro definitions etc
> Again, the only solution is to get more people involved. Is it
> easy? No, but the only way to make it easier for new developers
> is for more people to join, learn stuff, then write about what
> they learned.
Hi, I would like to share my experience of starting lilypond
developer. I am already
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2009 22:34:19 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
> In the .htaccess file in the server's base web directory (i.e. the dir that
> contains web/), simply add:
>
> ###
>
> ## Rewrite all non-existing files at toplevel to the /web/ dir, so
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:34:19PM +0100, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> > > Can't we have the directory structure internally with /web/ ,
> > > /download/ what have you, and use some serverside URL rewriting to
> > > make translate
> > >
> > > /foo/
> > >
> > > into
> > >
> > > /web/foo/
[...]
> Ye
Graham: I've been on the lilypond list for a long time. Tried lilypond
many times before but not until recently I began to work with it
seriously with my academic work. I earn my living as an attorney, but
I also attend classes at the local Conservatory.
It has been a while since the last tim
On 12.11.2009, at 22:40, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Quoting Neil Puttock :
Another option is to add the clef to the edge of the repeat barline:
I would probably use a breath mark as a starting point (a similar
trick is shown in http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=377), whereas
the "proper"
> "Graham" == Graham Percival writes:
Graham> Anybody want to save me a half an hour of maintenance, and a
Graham> few hours of sanity? Look this up. (alternately, if you
Graham> already know apache, just answer the question)
Yes you can do it.
In fact there is more than one way.
If you
Quoting Neil Puttock :
Another option is to add the clef to the edge of the repeat barline:
I would probably use a breath mark as a starting point (a similar trick
is shown in http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=377), whereas the
"proper" solution would be to first use \set Staff.forceClef
Yes, mod_rewrite can do that. I can look up how tomorrow, as i have this on my
servers.
Original message
From: Graham Percival
Sent: 12 Nov 2009 12:47 -08:00
To:
Cc: Lily devel , Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Subject: anybody know apache? (dir structure of docs)
Anybody want to save me a ha
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:55:08PM -0800, Tim Reeves wrote:
> Graham wrote:
> >
> > For the record, **I have never recommended that somebody use
> > lilypond**. When meeting a technically-oriented composer,
> > especially one working on algorithmic music, I might suggest that
> > they should chec
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2009 21:47:45 schrieb Graham Percival:
> Anybody want to save me a half an hour of maintenance, and a few
> hours of sanity? Look this up.
> (alternately, if you already know apache, just answer the question)
[..]
> > Can't we have the directory structure internally wit
Jan wrote:
> Quitting with LilyPond seems to cost him nothing.
Well, the obvious solution for that is to start charging for Lilypond, so
they have a disincentive to quit. ;-)
Tim Reeves
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Graham wrote:
>
> For the record, **I have never recommended that somebody use
> lilypond**. When meeting a technically-oriented composer,
> especially one working on algorithmic music, I might suggest that
> they should check it out. But I think the original poster was
> entirely justified in s
Anybody want to save me a half an hour of maintenance, and a few
hours of sanity? Look this up.
(alternately, if you already know apache, just answer the question)
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:31:31PM -0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> >
2009/11/12 James E. Bailey :
> In such a case, I would use markup: have a hidden time signature with one
> extra quarter note, remove the stem from the note engraver, change the
> stencil for the notehead to be the requested clef, and then use either
> \raise or \lower to get it to the proper heig
2009/11/12 Neil Puttock :
> If you use \concat, there's no need to mess around with \hspace:
For \hspace, read \halign. :)
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2009/11/12 Jiri Zurek (Prague) :
>
> Cheating from
> http://old.nabble.com/defining-custom-note-heads-td17430564.html#a17626150
> the older post I was able to define my own special noteHead, combining
> three glyphs together, calling it a tripleNote. It works perfectly in the
> default score size
Dear David: Thank you very much for your reply. If I was not that
clear, please accept my apologies. I was not trying to seem
pretentious or arrogant (far from it since I went into the thread as a
newbie). My first language was COBOL, then Pascal, Perl and C. I
barely have some notions of
Tim McNamara writes:
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
>> Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:41 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef David
>> Kastrup:
>>
>>> Carl Sorensen writes:
>>>
>>
>>
>>> _Addressing_ the actual problems is definitely more suitably done
>>> on the
>>> developer
Sorry, I initially just sent this to Jan and meant to send it to the
group.
On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:41 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef David
Kastrup:
Carl Sorensen writes:
_Addressing_ the actual problems is definitely more sui
Jesús Guillermo Andrade writes:
> El 12/11/2009, a las 04:11 a.m., David Kastrup escribió:
>
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
>
>
> As a new contributor/developer, by using a different, and a particular
>
> unfriendly platform for free software development, you are faced with
>
>
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 04:25:40PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>Good visual debugger for both scheme and C++, running well on Windows and
>Linux.
That'll take... oh, 200 hours? Sorry, but that would probably
take all the lilypond programmers over a year to write. I don't
Hello there!...
El 12/11/2009, a las 04:11 a.m., David Kastrup escribió:
Continued on developer list.
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
As a new contributor/developer, by using a different, and a
particular
unfriendly platform for free software development, you are faced with
tackling several diff
> As does M-x grep RET in Emacs. And it's variants like M-x grep-find RET
> and similar. But Emacs can also navigate using tags tables, which is
> more direct and makes it easier to find definitions.
XCode keeps a table of symbols for all compiled files in the project,
users can select the test
Kieren MacMillan writes:
>> for those working on a mac, XCode and BBEdit have grep-like
>> facilities as
>> well as project-wide search capabilities that report results in a list
>> that is itself a navigation tool for the hits.
>
> +1
> TextWrangler ("BBEdit Jr.", freeware) also has this wonderf
>>> I'm talking about developer tools. For example, some months ago I
>>> got the advice to use "grep" to browse LilyPond source code.
>>
>> BTW, have you found something better?
>>
> Eclipse is quite good at finding macro definitions etc., but it
> relies on some special build configuration, i mus
> Why do you think 99% of MS Word users are aware of only 1% of its
> features?
Autocad might be a better point of comparison.
As to Word, I have been responsible for informal teaching of its use in
computer labs, with clients that were on deadlines, many of whom had no
patience to learn things
Hello Kieren, hello David, hello out there,
I followed this conversation a little bit. Well I have been a quite
good C++ coder, but that was about 10 years ago. Right now I am one of
those million java developers.
For my Job I had to turn to Java, wich I didn't really love. With
Java5 it go
for those working on a mac, XCode and BBEdit have grep-like
facilities as
well as project-wide search capabilities that report results in a list
that is itself a navigation tool for the hits.
+1
TextWrangler ("BBEdit Jr.", freeware) also has this wonderful feature.
Cheers,
Kieren.
_
>
>> I'm talking about developer tools. For example, some months ago I
>> got the advice to use "grep" to browse LilyPond source code.
>
> BTW, have you found something better?
for those working on a mac, XCode and BBEdit have grep-like facilities as
well as project-wide search capabilities that
Graham Percival wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:40:37PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
I feel a very big obstacle for fixing bugs: the lack of modern tools for
developing LilyPond.
What, precisely do you mean by this?
- C++ and scheme sucks? I doubt this will change.
-
Werner LEMBERG wrote:
I'm talking about developer tools. For example, some months ago I
got the advice to use "grep" to browse LilyPond source code.
BTW, have you found something better?
Werner
Eclipse is quite good at finding macro definitions etc., but it relies
on some specia
> I'm talking about developer tools. For example, some months ago I
> got the advice to use "grep" to browse LilyPond source code.
BTW, have you found something better?
Werner
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Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi David,
>
>> The best programmers are often programmers that are into programming
>> for the sake of programming. Ask such a person for help with
>> typesetting music, and Lilypond will be one of the points of
>> attraction for him, and obstacles are disproving his g
Hello everyone,
I've set up a blog dedicated to issues in Music Publishing, and
specifically, the use of Open-Source tools in the print side of things.
I've just put up two posts, aimed at Educators, dealing with the use of
LilyPond, OpenOffice.org and the OOoLilyPond extension.
The posts c
Hi David,
The best programmers are often programmers that are into
programming for
the sake of programming. Ask such a person for help with typesetting
music, and Lilypond will be one of the points of attraction for
him, and
obstacles are disproving his geek state (or the state of what he
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Possibly, but again irrelevant (or at least orthogonal) to the
> discussion: I think that 100% of the new developer base will have
> started as part of the user base, since it seems unlikely to the point
> of impossibility that a random non-Lilypond-using developer
> (L
2009/11/12 Kieren MacMillan :
> IM(NS)HO, the *only* reason to enthusiastically recommend
> Lilypond is its output: for 95+% of the population, it's an inferior
> engraving experience (i.e., high learning curve and no GUI), but the
> difference in output quality is so great that it justifies my fev
J. bezeqint.net> writes:
> Hi Again evrey body, I'm happy to say that with
> because of the help you gave me I was not only able to get jedit up
> and running for lilypond but was encouraged to succede in setting up
> emacs too!
> Vim though is somthing else.
> I looked at the directions on
Hi David,
It's not as bad as the numbers suggest. The ratio of serious
developers
who will balk at getting their development environment up and running
will not be all that large.
That may be true, but irrelevant to my point: the vast majority of
the potential/actual "serious [new] develo
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:50:08PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> > Put another way, the difficulty of setting up a
> > development system on anything but Linux is a significant obstacle to
> > Lilypond's potential.
>
> It would surprise me if you could find many developers that want
> to v
Hi Jan,
Well, that's the question, isn't it? It depends on the percentage
of users on each platform that are able and willing to contribute.
Absolutely.
It would surprise me if you could find many developers that want
to volunteer their time working on free software, yet continue
to do so u
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:40:37PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
> I feel a very big obstacle for fixing bugs: the lack of modern tools for
> developing LilyPond.
What, precisely do you mean by this?
- C++ and scheme sucks? I doubt this will change.
- the build system sucks? we'r
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi Jan,
>
>> I'm just pointing out that choosing something different will
>> --currently still -- cost you.
>
> Absolutely... and, as we've witnessed, this is almost certainly
> materially affecting the number of developers that can/will work on
> Lilypond.
>
> Like it
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:36 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Kieren
MacMillan:
Hi Kieren,
> Absolutely... and, as we've witnessed, this is almost certainly
> materially affecting the number of developers that can/will work on
> Lilypond.
Of course.
> Like it or not, >95% of the computer w
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:27 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Kieren
MacMillan:
> > - approximately 300 *known* bugs that produce garbage output that
> > nobody's working on. (there's about 10-15 bugs that people are
> > working on)
>
> I'd love to see CodaMusic's bug list. ;)
You could l
"Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)" writes:
> Sure, though I'm afraid they are mostly Java programmers.
Ah, you used "expert" in the negative sense. Someone who is only
familiar with one thing at all rather than _particularly_ good at one
thing.
> One of them declined to participate even in LilyPo
Hi Jan,
I'm just pointing out that choosing something different will
--currently still -- cost you.
Absolutely... and, as we've witnessed, this is almost certainly
materially affecting the number of developers that can/will work on
Lilypond.
Like it or not, >95% of the computer world is
"Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)" writes:
> Perhaps even the development platform should be changed here
> and there to make sure there are good tools to use.
>
>
> One thing I have learnt in the past: it is mostly pointless to try
> supporting a platform that is not your ow
Hi Graham (et al),
For the record, **I have never recommended that somebody use
lilypond**. When meeting a technically-oriented composer
Ah! That's your problem right there... I recommend Lilypond all the
time, but primarily to AESTHETICALLY-oriented composers.
In my experience, most comp
Perhaps even the development platform should be changed here and there
to make sure there are good tools to use.
One thing I have learnt in the past: it is mostly pointless to try
supporting a platform that is not your own choice. If others are
passionate enough about it, they will do a
Francisco Vila wrote:
2009/11/12 Graham Percival :
That's why I cringe a bit whenever I hear people proudly
announcing that they advertized lilypond to meeting X or
conference Y.
Do not cringe. Some people live passionately dealing with music,
education, computing and software freed
Sure, though I'm afraid they are mostly Java programmers.
One of them declined to participate even in LilyPondTool.
Bert
Would you please invite a couple of dozen of them to help with lilypond
development?
I only know about 3 really expert! programmers, possibly 6 plain
expert programmers in
"Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)" writes:
> I feel a very big obstacle for fixing bugs: the lack of modern tools
> for developing LilyPond.
>
> For example in the CG there are many advices about Emacs, which
> according to the opinion of the 94% of the expert (really expert!)
> software developers
On 11/11/09 4:23 PM, "Jonathan Wilkes" wrote:
>>
>> spannerText =
>> #(define-music-function (parser location span-text)
>> (string?)
>> #{
>> \override TextSpanner #'(bound-details
>> left text) = #$span-text
>> #")
>>
>> which would allow above example to be coded much more
>> ea
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 13:40 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Bertalan
Fodor (LilyPondTool):
Hi Bertalan,
> For example in the CG there are many advices about Emacs, which
> according to the opinion of the 94% of the expert (really expert!)
> software developers I know
Would you please invit
I feel a very big obstacle for fixing bugs: the lack of modern tools for
developing LilyPond.
For example in the CG there are many advices about Emacs, which
according to the opinion of the 94% of the expert (really expert!)
software developers I know (there are quite many of them) has been a
2009/11/12 Graham Percival :
> That's why I cringe a bit whenever I hear people proudly
> announcing that they advertized lilypond to meeting X or
> conference Y.
Do not cringe. Some people live passionately dealing with music,
education, computing and software freedom. Shake this and you'll have
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:11:40AM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> So what are the actual problems? Is LilyPond really too difficult?
> Do we rely too much on crufty input-language solutions? How many
> ritardando-like hacks do we have for common problems? Are they
> listed/categorised somewhe
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 05:49 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Kieren
MacMillan:
Hi Kieren,
> > There is nothing to learn. Have you seen a file? Adding plain
> > text is more intuitive than using Apple's finder. Really.
>
> Well, since I don't even have a build system that works yet, this is
Hi Jan,
There is nothing to learn. Have you seen a file? Adding plain
text is more intuitive than using Apple's finder. Really.
Well, since I don't even have a build system that works yet, this is
all totally moot at the moment...
Chances are problems are fixed before you encounter the
Cheating from
http://old.nabble.com/defining-custom-note-heads-td17430564.html#a17626150
the older post I was able to define my own special noteHead, combining
three glyphs together, calling it a tripleNote. It works perfectly in the
default score size. However, when I resize the score to small
Nicolas Sceaux wrote:
>
> Yet, it might have been an artefact of an inappropriate page breaking
> algorithm, hence the suggestion,
Dear Nicolas, I highly value your suggestions, so I tried with the
ly:minimal-breaking immediately after I received your reply. However, the
problem persists.
Ni
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:41 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef David
> Kastrup:
>> Carl Sorensen writes:
>
>> _Addressing_ the actual problems is definitely more suitably done on the
>> developer list.
>
> So what are the actual problems?
The actual problem is the pa
Continued on developer list.
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> As a new contributor/developer, by using a different, and a particular
> unfriendly platform for free software development, you are faced with
> tackling several difficult problems at once.
>
> This is only meant as an observation and an
Op donderdag 12-11-2009 om 08:41 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef David
Kastrup:
> Carl Sorensen writes:
> _Addressing_ the actual problems is definitely more suitably done on the
> developer list.
So what are the actual problems? Is LilyPond really too difficult?
Do we rely too much on crufty inp
2009/11/12 Martin Tarenskeen :
>
> Hi,
>
> http://lilypond.org/web/install/ is showing version numbers 0.0.0-0 instead
> of 2.13.7-1 for the development branch. This is not the first time this has
> happened, so I guess there is someone who will fix this.
Complementary infos:
This concerns only t
Op woensdag 11-11-2009 om 23:44 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Graham
Percival:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 06:39:26PM -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> info is basically "man on steroids". It might work on OSX; I
> can't remember. Try
>info gcc
> and see if you get anything.
This may 'show' an
Op woensdag 11-11-2009 om 17:47 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Kieren
MacMillan:
> I've got to learn yet another markup language
There is nothing to learn. Have you seen a file? Adding plain
text is more intuitive than using Apple's finder. Really.
> and install a bunch of apps (still in prog
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