Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> I think "so poorly documented that in practice almost no one can >> understand how it works" still can't qualify as "in effect >> proprietary". > > It is not *that* badly documented. However, the number of people who > understand Metafont are rather small today. git sh

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I think "so poorly documented that in practice almost no one can > understand how it works" still can't qualify as "in effect > proprietary". It is not *that* badly documented. However, the number of people who understand Metafont are rather small today. > - Someone who doesn't really want to

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Rogers
Andrew Bernard writes: > Emmentaler is, in effect, proprietary, although free. I disagree. I think "so poorly documented that in practice almost no one can understand how it works" still can't qualify as "in effect proprietary". It just qualifies as "needing a huge amount of work; work that the

Re: Page Number Too High

2013-08-10 Thread MarcM
if you provide an example this will increase your chance of getting an answer. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Page-Number-Too-High-tp148969p148971.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Pedal markings in parentheses

2013-08-10 Thread John K
The Paderewski edition of Chopin Nocturne #3 often puts the sustain pedal markings inside parentheses. I don't have a scan of it to post here, but the fancy "Ped" indication appears directly beneath the note it starts on, but there is an open parenthesis just to the left of the "Ped". The parenth

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
Evan Driscoll writes: > As a fairly outside observer who is only an occasional user of Lilypond > > On 08/09/2013 11:43 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: >> The concern I have on SMuFL is that it is an as-of-yet immature standard >> without broad support outside of Steinberg. ... Will it be a futile >

Re: Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Evan Driscoll
As a fairly outside observer who is only an occasional user of Lilypond On 08/09/2013 11:43 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > The concern I have on SMuFL is that it is an as-of-yet immature standard > without broad support outside of Steinberg. ... Will it be a futile > effort because the SMuFL stand

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Urs Liska
Carl Peterson schrieb: >On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:46 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Andrew Bernard writes: >> >> > On 10/08/13 7:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> > >> >> Of course, people are free to do whatever they want with their own >time >> >> and efforts. But if you do it out of a feeli

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:46 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Andrew Bernard writes: > > > On 10/08/13 7:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > > > >> Of course, people are free to do whatever they want with their own time > >> and efforts. But if you do it out of a feeling of contributing to > >> LilyPond, i

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Bernard writes: > On 10/08/13 7:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Of course, people are free to do whatever they want with their own time >> and efforts. But if you do it out of a feeling of contributing to >> LilyPond, it may be worth looking quite closer before investing a lot of >> effo

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Urs Liska
Andrew Bernard schrieb: >Greetings List, > >On 10/08/13 6:57 PM, Urs Liska wrote: >> Of course this is all quite complex and difficult. >Which is why this discussion thread is important, I reckon. >> One thought: >> Of course you can buy commercial fonts and use them with LaTeX. >I use commer

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
On 10/08/13 7:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Andrew Bernard writes: Interesting valid points David. But I was thinking that it although lilypond is open source, why can't I purchase _commercial_ music fonts to use with it, just as one does for print typesetting? Because they are not standardize

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Bernard writes: > Interesting valid points David. > > But I was thinking that it although lilypond is open source, why can't > I purchase _commercial_ music fonts to use with it, just as one does > for print typesetting? Because they are not standardized. At any rate, it's not much of a

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
Greetings List, On 10/08/13 6:57 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Of course this is all quite complex and difficult. Which is why this discussion thread is important, I reckon. One thought: Of course you can buy commercial fonts and use them with LaTeX. I use commercial fonts with the open source ConTeXT

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.08.2013 10:52, schrieb Andrew Bernard: Interesting valid points David. But I was thinking that it although lilypond is open source, why can't I purchase _commercial_ music fonts to use with it, just as one does for print typesetting? I did not see the fonts as being tied to buying the e

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
Interesting valid points David. But I was thinking that it although lilypond is open source, why can't I purchase _commercial_ music fonts to use with it, just as one does for print typesetting? I did not see the fonts as being tied to buying the engraving software, but a decoupled market. I c

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Bernard writes: > This is of great interest to me because several of the people I do > scores for (contemporary composers) do not favour the very heavy black > Germanic look of the standard lilypond font, attractive though it may > be. It would be nice to have a wider choice to offer in th

Re: SMuFL

2013-08-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
Thanks Werner for pointing this out. It would help if I read the SMuFL standard before commenting. :-) So I think my previous comments are invalid. Now that I have read the standard v 0.6, I see that it works hand in hand with Unicode, and is not in opposition to, or outside of Unicode. Given