Re: Schikkers List

2013/12/5 Federico Bruni : > When you enter the fret number, the program can find the right pitch > combining string + fret number (and taking the tuning into account). Hi Federico, How should this ever work? Thinking of modulations/enhormonics. -Harm

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

El 07/12/2013 15:48, "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" escribió: > I don't see why you assume that. There's no particular reason why you need an identical bundled install for every platform -- different platforms come with different expectations on the part of users, so it should be fine to have e.g. a

Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

On 12/7/2013 2:16 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > David, > > 2013/12/7 David Bolton : >> Janek, >> >> I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first >> documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). > That's probably because you are using LilyPond version that doe

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: > > >> My recommendations would be: >> 1. Use a consistent URL for the latest stable version of LilyPond >> documentation. That way web searches and other pages across the web link >> to the latest version instead of ancient versions of the docume

Re: LilyPond Website Work

- Original Message - From: "David Bolton" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond Website Work On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: As can be seen here (one more time): Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 David Bolton : ... And by

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On 12/7/2013 9:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/7 David Kastrup : >>> It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish >>> between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? >> Stable: solid color in the color coded area. >> >> Development: diagonally striped or

Re: LilyPond Website Work

On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > > As can be seen here (one more time): > > Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: >> 2013/12/7 David Bolton : >> >> ... >> >> And by the way, why are you using documentation for versions 2.16 and >> 2.17 while the file is marked as 2.14? This looks like

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On 07/12/13 20:21, Urs Liska wrote: I think fixing the Finale part (reliably) will be much more problematic, at least with this kind of music where the complexity leads to that amount of catastrophic results as in the Finale version. That's why you want to run the test, to see if a good and en

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On 07/12/13 19:54, Urs Liska wrote: But once we're going to compete with people from other tools' mailing lists it will probably become a real (and therefore less informative) competition. Well, if you couch it in terms along the lines of, "Hey, we're just trying to improve our software here,

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

Am 07.12.2013 20:18, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 07/12/13 20:05, Urs Liska wrote: I have to throw in a comparison: http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/07_02.png http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/finale2008_one-system.png These are an excerpt from a copyright piece, but I've

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On 07/12/13 20:05, Urs Liska wrote: I have to throw in a comparison: http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/07_02.png http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/finale2008_one-system.png These are an excerpt from a copyright piece, but I've got permission to display in the context of a tutorial

Jniz music notation software

Hello Just to inform you that Jniz is a new free software designed for musicians as a support tool to the musical composition. It is using Lilypond to export in midi, lilypond formats. The website: http://www.jniz.org Hope you will enjoy it.. All the best Bruno Grandjean Jniz dev _

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

Am 06.12.2013 17:11, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 05/12/13 21:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: as promised, here are engraving comparisons that i hand out to musicians i meet: What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? I hate to say this, but from my point of view (as a Lily

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

Am 07.12.2013 19:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: No, but I imagine that if you went on the Finale mailing list and said, "Hey, we're trying out this challenge as part of a drive to test and improve our usability, anyone up for it?" you'd get some volunteers. One potential issue I'm seein

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On 07/12/13 19:39, SoundsFromSound wrote: I could assist with Finale 2014 though I hesitate to call myself an 'expert' in Finale. Power user maybe, but no expert. Does that help? I think that "power user" would be fine for the kind of test run I proposed. I mean, so long as you don't let your

Re: on marketing

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Richard Shann wrote: > On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > > On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > > Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas > > > > That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... > > Is that because Mus

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On 07/12/13 19:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: Have you looked at "Eja Mater awful Finale.pdf"? Do you consider the issues marked in red minor? They actually make it very difficult to s

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

Janek Warchoł wrote > 2013/12/6 Joseph Rushton Wakeling > What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? > > They weren't created by me; i don't know the version (but the Eja > Mater is probably 2003 or 2005). > >> I hate to say this, but from my point of

RE: on marketing

> -Original Message- > From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:12 PM > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: on marketing > > On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas > > That would

Re: on marketing

Richard Shann writes: > On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: >> On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >> > Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas >> >> That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... > > Is that because MuseScore cannot handle scores with s

Re: on marketing

On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas > > That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... Is that because MuseScore cannot handle scores with several movements, I wonder. Cont

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

- Original Message - From: "Janek Warchoł" To: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials 2013/12/6 Joseph Rushton Wakeling What Finale version are you using to genera

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

2013/12/6 Joseph Rushton Wakeling What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? They weren't created by me; i don't know the version (but the Eja Mater is probably 2003 or 2005). > I hate to say this, but from my point of view (as a Lilypond user and > enthusiast) I think that ra

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

2013/12/7 Carl Peterson : > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Janek Warchoł > wrote: >> 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : >> > In particular, I would say that anything used should be incontrovertibly >> > in >> > the public domain (i.e., the older, the better). >> >> This is just impossible with comparisons

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > > 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : > > In particular, I would say that anything used should be incontrovertibly > in > > the public domain (i.e., the older, the better). > > This is just impossible with comparisons like these ones - the > finale/sibe

Re: engraving comparisons and other "promotional" materials

2013/12/5 Ryan McClure : > A quick question--sorry to clog the mailling list--but what are the rules > concerning copyright with this sort of thing? Would all works have to be > public domain/approved by the copyright holder? I have explicit permission from the author of "Eja, Mater" Finale engrav

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 07.12.2013 17:41, schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek: I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that Frescobaldi becomes the default program with which to open files with the .ly extension. Yes, that's the case. I just did an install of Frescobaldi

Re: lilypond.org "Pondings"

Am 07.12.2013 16:07, schrieb Daniel Rosen: On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Urs Liska > wrote: Am 06.12.2013 22:51, schrieb SoundsFromSound: Urs Liska wrote Hi, What is the official definition of a ponding? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-04/

Re: on marketing

On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote: Patches welcome. Should I take that as conce

on marketing

FYI, found on the dreaded facebook Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas available in MuseScore thanks to Classicman! http://musescore.com/user/19710/sets/54311 Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.n

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote: Patches welcome. Should I take that as conceding the argument in principle? :-) I know it's frustrating to see so much discussion and no code, but one reason people discuss so much is because they want to make sure there is a solution that will satisfy e

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I've already said I oppose this, and I'll rest

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:43, Phil Holmes wrote: So we have to have even more large files residing on the server, when we already have enough. This assumes that it isn't possible for the basic installer to be a lightweight tool that contains nothing itself, but that downloads and installs selected indiv

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I've already said I oppose this, and I'll restate this. I think it's unfortunate that your opposition consists of just saying "no", rather than trying to work out if there are ways to get what you want _and_ get what other people are suggesting. For exa

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Noeck" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No way - that's w

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

Mr. Wakeling, Thank you for the reply and the explanation. Seems to me to be a simple solution for some of the objections. Mark -Original Message- From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:45 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek; lilyp

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: > 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : >> Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No >> way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the >> current LilyPond install. Why so categorical? How about finding comp

Re: Schikkers List

2013/12/5 Jan Nieuwenhuizen > What I meant was: what is required for the a minimal first useful > user experience. Would a hardcoded tuning do, so that we can > implement a tuning choosing mechanism later? > > yes, stringTunings = #guitar-tuning would be ok for most guitarists > > It is quite

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: "Lilypond-User" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument "Phil Holmes" writes: - Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" Check out http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : > Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No > way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the > current LilyPond install. We could have both bundled and unbundled installer. But right now noone seems to be willing

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff.

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

"Phil Holmes" writes: > - Original Message - > From: "David Kastrup" > >> Check out http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=630>. It's not clear >> to me why this is not in >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/snippets/> since it is >> in the LilyPond tree under Documentation/sni

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" Check out http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=630>. It's not clear to me why this is not in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/snippets/> since it is in the LilyPond tree under Documentation/snippets and it seems sort of pointless to

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 16:52, David Kastrup wrote: The last time I thought that was when I wanted to compare how much worse Emacs fared when using it for working on LaTeX files compared to a specialized simple text editor called Kile or something. Emacs hit in at over 16MB with my current work session (gra

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. > > > Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what > you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organi

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organize things is to have one install bundle for al

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: >> Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a >> .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. > > I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it update

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has >> to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we >> support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not >>

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013/12/7 David Kastrup : > >> It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish >> between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? > > Stable: solid color in the color coded area. > > Development: diagonally striped or patterned in some other way. +1 __

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not enough to go and create one installer - we need sof

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that Fresc

Re: lilypond.org "Pondings"

On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Urs Liska mailto:u...@openlilylib.org>> wrote: Am 06.12.2013 22:51, schrieb SoundsFromSound: Urs Liska wrote Hi, What is the official definition of a ponding? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-04/msg00533.html "A website that uses LilyPon

Re: LilyPond Website Work

Urs Liska writes: > Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: >> 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : >>> Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and >>> stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, >>> formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious change between two

Re: A music function that drops music.

Richard Shann writes: > I have created this function to drop a staff from a \score { } block: > > DropMusic = > #(define-music-function > (parser location arg1) > (ly:music?) > #{ > #} > ) > > This will be useful in Denemo to allow the user to create a staff that > is not ty

A music function that drops music.

I have created this function to drop a staff from a \score { } block: DropMusic = #(define-music-function (parser location arg1) (ly:music?) #{ #} ) This will be useful in Denemo to allow the user to create a staff that is not typeset, but needs to be present for other purp

Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

David, 2013/12/7 David Bolton : > Janek, > > I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first > documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). That's probably because you are using LilyPond version that doesn't match the documentation version you're using. Wh

Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

Janek, I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). David On 12/7/2013 1:45 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > 2013/12/7 David Bolton : >> My goal is to reduce the horizontal spacing so that I fit four measures >>