Pardon if inappropriate but you may be better off with lute tablature
software, such as
https://fandango.musickshandmade.com/index.php
After all, it's very close to viol tab.
Andrew
I have this all the time in the New Complexity School music I engrave.
The way I approach it is to give up the idea of grace notes and make the
RH a tuplet say 30:18 or whatever (sorry I have not counted it) and then
reduce the size of the notes to grace note size, and if you need a slash
you
What is godot, if I may ask?
Andrew
On 26/07/2023 12:40 am, Stjepan Horvat wrote:
Thank you. This was exactly what i needed.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 10:30 Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le lundi 24 juillet 2023 à 10:09 +0200, Stjepan Horvat a écrit :
I'm trying to embed lilypond score into
Which most people are not. :-)
On 23/06/2023 4:48 pm, Mark Knoop wrote:
Unless you're Olivier Messiaen...
In notation octavations both up and down are always 8 and 15. Nothing to
do with lilypond specifically. So 8va, 15va, 8vb, 15vb. These apply to
clefs and octavation lines.
Andrew
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
On 18/06/2023 1:55 am, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
Please forgive the intrusion, but as I've begun using MuseScore, I'd
like to leave this list, and cannot find the unsubscription directions.
Not the answer to the Lilypond question, but as a reference of
comparison, here is what Dorico does in this situation by default, and I
believe this to be correct standard practice.
Andrew
The criterion for a word to be included in the Oxford English Dictionary
is three proven printed examples. :-)
Andrew
On 5/06/2023 2:25 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote
Understood. However, we *need* good real-world examples that are not
bound to certain notation programs so that we have a chance
Re that merge request, I think it's important to frame it as an open
meter sign, not as a cancellation. As somebody pointed out, it can start
a piece and so it is not cancelling anything previous.
Andrew
Hello All,
It's not unusual, just not Common Era period which lilypond principally
focuses on.
It is not a _cancellation_ or a crossing out. It's as designator of open
meter. Dorico enables it because people use it and request it, not
because the Dorico team read it in Gould. Dorico targets
It's one standard for open meter.
Here's the Dorico manual info:
Andrew
On 4/06/2023 10:49 pm, Dan Eble wrote:
Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature cancellation sign
pictured at [1], or anything similar?
Thanks,
--
Dan
?
Andrew
On 31/05/2023 11:05 am, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le mercredi 31 mai 2023 à 11:00 +1000, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
How does Denemo do it? Mr Shann?
It generates LilyPond code (which you can also export if I'm not
mistaken).
How does Denemo do it? Mr Shann?
Andrew
On 30/05/2023 4:22 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
There is no liblilypond, but it is naturally possible, and common, to
spawn LilyPond in a subprocess.
Mint 21.1 Cinnamon desktop .ly is appended automatically just fine.
Andrew
Fedora 38 .ly is appended automatically just fine.
Andrew
Music for oboe by Mahnkopf?
Just enter the character. Lilypond supports Unicode. Use whatever
character map tool you like.
What platform are you on? PopChar is good on Windows.
Andrew
On 21/05/2023 12:42 pm, Greg Lindstrom wrote:
Questions. How can I do this (an umlaut over the o??)
For a start you would be well advised to upgrade to the latest stable
version 2.24.1. 2.12 is positively ancient.
It will make it easier for people to help you for a start.
There is a script called convert-ly that can help with syntax changes if
need be.
Andrew
On 21/05/2023 12:42 pm,
Which is needless to say, the whole philosophical basis of Lilypond and
it's huge strength.
Andrew
On 19/05/2023 6:11 am, Jakob Pedersen wrote:
there's really very little to tweak!
Let's see the context before translating.
Andrew
On 10/05/2023 10:54 pm, Alexandre Loomis wrote:
I'd translate it as aliénation or another antonym of assimilation.
altérisation - even more amusing!
Andrew
On 10/05/2023 10:44 pm, Vincent Gay wrote:
DeepL translate Othering in French by altérisation, which is not
really French either (the right word would be altération)
What is this sample? Anything that uses a word that does not really
exist in English is possibly suspect. :-) Please give use some more detail.
Andrew
On 10/05/2023 9:28 pm, Paul Hodges wrote:
I am looking at some seriously weird LilyPond (largely Scheme,
actually) which I suspect might help
FWIW, here is what Gould has to say:
Andrew
In 2.25.4, if you play around with beam damping, the groups of two are
affected by the ledger line groups of four are not.
e.g.:
\override Beam.damping = #0.09
You could manually set the end position heights of the beams but I am
certain that is not what you want.
Andrew
No - this is great. By no means hijacked. I'll go with that. Thanks! I
only bring up Sublime Text because I couldn;t find the relevant neovim
documentation.
Neovim is pretty good.
Andrew
On 6/05/2023 12:56 am, Kenneth Flak wrote:
As a matter of fact, I tried the neovim-remote version now.
to the list this time...)
Op vr 5 mei 2023 16:18 schreef Andrew Bernard
:
Gvim works but is buggy.
Would you mind filing a bug report then?
Christ van Willegen
You can use editors with point and click. There's a section on it in the
NR. The PDF's contains textedit links that editors can respond to in
order to position the cursor on the line and column. So you have two way
editing like Frescobaldi, which use the same PDF links. It used to work
well
Has anybody been able to use Sublime Text with point and click?
Their documentation does not seem to mention it, and I have asked on the
forum,
As said, I have 30-40 include files. And lilypond compiles fines, albeit
slowly as it is single threaded. It's Frescobaldi that is slow. I can
live without Frescobaldi, but I do really like two way point and click.
Andrew
On 2/05/2023 11:11 pm, Jeff Kopmanis wrote:
You should look into
, Andrew Bernard
ha scritto:
Trying to use gvim, due to the problem that Frescobaldi becomes
unreasonably sluggish with my very large scores, no matter what
clever tricks I use to chop them up.
This is:
https://github.com/frescobaldi/frescobaldi/issues/473
Wilbert suggested a workaround
The work is about 40,000 lines of lilypond code, but split into about
ten sections. There are only about 30 include files. Frescobaldi is
unusable, then and still now. Of the order of 30 seconds to do any
operation, on a linux VM on a very fast computer. I will say that the
score is a work of
From work on this in the past, it's a gvim issue. Nothing to do with
lilypond. Don't spend any time on it. When following this a few years
ago various gvim forums indicated this is a kind of difficulty, not
exactly a bug.
I just thought I can't be the only one in the world wanting to use gvim
Fedora 38, Gnome 44, Evince works fine. No problem at all and nothing to
configure. That's the environment.
Trying to use gvim, due to the problem that Frescobaldi becomes
unreasonably sluggish with my very large scores, no matter what clever
tricks I use to chop them up.
I have been using
A few years ago I penned a guide to getting lilypond PDF point and click
going with gvim under Ubuntu.
Time has moved on and that guide is no longer right for Fedora 38.
Does anybody have gvim going with Fedora and if so, could they outline
some pointers?
It sort of works but shows unwanted
You nailed it. Thank you so much.
Andrew
On 30/04/2023 11:02 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Apparently, somewhere in your score there is a glyph that isn't
covered by LilyPond's default fonts or the fonts that you specify with
`font-name`. For such glyphs, LilyPond relies on Fontconfig to find a
Thanks. That works. Brilliant
Andrew
On 30/04/2023 10:47 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
I've pushed
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/commit/63858cdaf121935a6a2d835058bf24e2cea81a5a
to fix this in OLL.
What is a 'variation font'?
I have lines like this:
\override TupletNumber.font-name = "Noto Sans"
What does it mean to 'explicitly specify the font'?
Andrew
On 30/04/2023 10:28 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
With 2.24.1 on Fedora 28 I am getting two issues with one file.
1. =
warning:
Further to previous queries, I am still attempting to build a large
project from 6 years ago.
With 2.24.1 on Fedora 28 I am getting two issues with one file.
1. =
warning: font index 262144 too large for font
`/usr/share/fonts/google-noto-vf/NotoSans[wght].ttf', using index 0
warning:
I have never had difficulty locating build dependencies on linux ever
before. But I can't work out this:
ERROR: Please install required programs: texi2pdf texindex epsf.tex
pltotf lh CTAN package (texlive-lang-cyrillic or texlive-texmf-fonts)
I'm using Fedora 38. Where is this stuff? What
Minimum Working Example.
It's customary protocol to try to reduce your problem or query to its
basic essence so that people on the list can help out.
MWE's are described here:
https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html
MWE is the term that has come into use.
Andrew
On 29/04/2023 1:47 am,
I learn something every day!
On 25/04/2023 9:55 pm, Aaron Hill wrote:
There are lyric meta events [1] that you can include in a standard
MIDI file.
[1]:
https://www.midi.org/specifications/file-format-specifications/standard-midi-files/smf-lyric-meta-event-definition
As an aside, MIDI has no representation of text so the VST I pointed out
and other suggestions will be best done in a DAW.
Andrew
On 25/04/2023 8:53 pm, J Martin Rushton wrote:
I was playing back a MIDI piece and wondered if anyone had ever
combined voice synthesis with MIDI?
Sure. Has been done some time ago. There are various VST's that can sing
text. Quite well too.
For example:
https://emvoiceapp.com/
There are others as well. Totally unrelated to Lilypond, this, but the
technical problem has been solved quite effectively.
Andrew
On 25/04/2023 8:53 pm, J
My thoughts exactly, for musical reasons. The lower is not a gliss in my
opinion, but a voice follower. And I agree with Jean regarding the top
one also. I think that's also an indicator of voice leading. But
musicians can follow this sort of score without help. I'd leave them
out. Ant way,
Well I am amazed. Thanks Paul!
The example from 2010 of course does not compile. Here's the code update
for 2.25.3. This may make a tasty Lilypond snippet.
It's not ridiculous. There are interesting canons done in circular from
by composers such as John Bull and others. Not just 'eye music'.
Just checking - you can't make circular staves with notes in lilypond,
can you? I know you can do nice circle of fifths diagrams as per an LSR
example, but circular staves are way out of scope, aren't they?
This came up in the Dorico forum and several users assert with no
evidence or examples
While reviving a seven year old project, as I go along I am encountering
various errors with the much newer versions of lilypond.
What's this one about?
warning: unknown line-cap-style: (quote butt)
ERROR: In procedure symbol->string:
In procedure symbol->string: Wrong type argument in
Using stable 2.24.1 now fails to compile with 'Exited with return code 11'.
Andrew
But the piece fails to compile. Somewhat difficult to ignore, no?
So also maybe I better try the last stable release.
Andrew
On 15/04/2023 4:33 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote
If it worked fine before, you can consider the programming errors
harmless and ignore them.
No fancy accidental modifications. Vast number of cross staff events.
Not that this may help., but it used to compile under 2.19.83 when I
wrote it.
Andrew
On 15/04/2023 3:53 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le samedi 15 avril 2023 à 15:40 +1000, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
Starting lilypond
Starting lilypond 2.25.3 [whiteout.ly]...
Processing `/home/acb/work/lilypond/proportion/whiteout.ly'
Parsing...
oll-core: library infrastructure successfully loaded.
Interpreting music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: cyclic dependency:
No engravers are moved.
Andrew
On 15/04/2023 3:14 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
As to the programming error, did you move engravers like
Mark_engraver, Metronome_mark_engraver or Text_mark_engraver? If so,
did you also move Staff_collecting_engraver? This is mentioned in the
documentation, but
Here is the DEBUG output:
Backtrace: 18 (apply-smob/1 #) In
/home/lily/lilypond-2.25.3/release/binaries/lilypond/build/out/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily/lily.scm:
902:16 17 (lilypond-main _) 931:4 16 (lilypond-all _) In
srfi/srfi-1.scm: 640:9 15 (for-each #/home/lily/lilyp…> …) In
I am reviving a large project from about six or seven years ago.
I'm unable toi easily work out how to produce an MWE for this.
Here's the error:
Preprocessing graphical objects... programming error: cyclic dependency:
calculation-in-progress encountered for
So now we know your plans. Thanks!
Andrew
On 10/04/2023 2:15 pm, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le 10 avr. 2023 à 02:04, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
I imagine over time Wilbert and the Frescobaldi developers will release
exclusively with flatpak. Although I don't know their plans, that may well
Sure you can do that. For me, I welcome the flatpak packaging. Despite
being a very experienced UNIX user forever, I often find difficulties
arise with all the prerequisites required to be installed, especially
the Qt aspects, which often mess up. Flatpak frees one from these issues.
I
Has anybody ported the openlilylib/bezier library to work with recent
versions of lilypond?
With 2.25 I get:
/home/acb/lib/openlilylib/bezier/_internal/special-cpts-display.ily:13:2:
error: Guile signaled an error for the expression beginning here # (cond
((not (defined?
Are we taking pull requests. Sorry my metaphor may not have been clear!
On 7 April 2023 10:17:51 pm AEST, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>
>
>> Le 7 avr. 2023 à 14:06, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
>>
>> Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the
&g
Ah, that's the one I now remember.
Could this go into OLL?
Andrew
On 7/04/2023 10:21 pm, David Nalesnik wrote:
Hi Rip_mus,
On 7/04/2023 4:18 pm, Rip _Mus wrote:
> do you know any technique to place a markup right in the middle (X
> axis) of a DurationLine Grob? (or also a
I have this:
DEPRECATION! You have loaded the openLilyLib module
snippets.notation-snippets.shaping-bezier-curves.shapeII The
functionality of this module has been moved or reimplemented in the
module bezier.shapeII Please consider switching to the new module.
I am unable to find
Oh thank you. I had the false impression it was a property of the editor
preferences.
Andrew
On 7/04/2023 10:03 pm, Jun Tamura wrote:
I think that’s “Line Numbers” under “View” menu
Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the
communications platform for queries and discussions now? And are we in
fact still open for business? I need to submit a pull request to add
some code for my slash stem functions which somehow never made it in.
Andrew
Coming back to Frescobaldi after a very long time not using it, I
thought you can get the editor to show line numbers down the side. Am I
completely imagining this?
Andrew
Others will shortly come in with a formal Scheme solution but I just use
markup text with a whiteout background and manually offset it to be in
the middle of the spanner. No good when things shift, but does the job.
I thought there used to be a technique for this in the Lilypond Snippet
Well as I said, I don't know. I thought America would be way ahead.
On 18/03/2023 11:44 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Hi Werner, With NBN in Australia, the speeds are amazing. [...]
Well, a great percentage of the world does not have such amazing
circumstances...
Werner
It's kinda sorta on by default in Frescobaldi. engrave -preview is
Ctrl-M and engrave - publish -Ctrl-Shift-P. And the engrave icon, when
you press it, without going through the dropdowns, is preview by default.
|-dembed-source-code| is off by default.
Hi Werner, With NBN in Australia, the speeds are amazing. I have a
'modest' plan at 100Mbps nominal but I get consistently 10 percent plus
higher. And a _lot_ of people are now moving to the commonly available
1000Mbs plans, at quite reasonable cost. So for we Aussies down under,
big PDF's
I don't have any quantitative data but I image turning off the embedding
of the source code would reduce file size in the PDF which may help.
Andrew
On 18/03/2023 10:38 pm, Volodymyr Prokopyuk wrote:
I've tried the https://github.com/pdfcpu/pdfcpu with very good results:
https://www.wikihow.com/Reduce-PDF-File-Size
Was compressed to zero bytes. :-)
On 18/03/2023 5:58 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Link missing?
Here's some other compression solutions. This page points out that the
tradeoff for squishing is lower quality images and text.
In this day of gigabyte this an terabyte that, does a large PDF matter
very much? What is the issue of concern?
Andrew
Nice tool, but don't get your expectations too high. There are
constraints in how much you can squash PDF's.
Andrew
On 18/03/2023 4:08 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
You might try `pdfsizeopt`.
https://github.com/pts/pdfsizeopt
It's in the manual.
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/list-of-articulations
Andrew
On 17/03/2023 5:12 pm, Kees van den Doel wrote:
Thanks. And where can I find the ones that are currently available?
You can get various stats from Discourse. There are over 6.5K users who
have posted over the years and consequently have been created. An
amazing community.
Andrew
I found a tool in the procmail suite to split mbox archives into
individual messages. I upped the available swap space on the server to
13GB (thanks to David Kstrup for suggesting this idea). There are 156457
items in the archive up to last month or so. That number is from the
first message
Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if you
get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to find
out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system. My only issue is
that I am
I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large RAM.
It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and does
not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Andrew
On 6/03/2023 1:29 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote:
I
No. You misunderstand. Discourse is quite compact. The 8GB of RAM is
only required temporarily for importing 20+ years worth of mbox files.
My Discourse servers all run fine in 2GB of RAM, with unlimited posts,
which are just in a database on disk.
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote:
It was a joke.
Andrew
On 6/03/2023 12:43 am, David Kastrup wrote:
I don't really see how "schadenfreude" scales to the problem space.
I'm still keen on Discourse for our community and have been giving it
some attention. People have right;y said the full historical archive is
important. David Kastrup usefully pointed out all the mbox archives are
freely available, back to the beginning. Discourse can import mbox
archives and
With links to external file sharing services, the mbox archives no
longer contain the complete message and it is a given that internet file
sharing sites are impermanent, so there is potential here to lose
information, and people tell me the archive is important to them.
Andrew
On 5/03/2023
Hello All,
I can't help feeling a twinge of schadenfreude on hearing this. :-)
Although one can impose such restrictions in Discourse, you don't have
to unless you are constrained by organisational problems as here with
GNU. As to my suggestion about implementing Discourse, I'd be proposing
Not sure where my brain has been holidaying lately - I had the idea you
can't import mbox format lists into Discourse and even gave what I
thought were reasons you can't. This it totally wrong. Discourse does
have an import mechanism for loading mailing lists.
So I think I'll run up a
I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
exposed on the web in Discourse, but a post has to be associated with an
account, and an account has to be verified by emailing the user, and the
email is stored in their private profile so they can, well, receive
email. The
Some final thoughts, since we are not going to do this at this point.
With all the pushback I am seeing, I have little further interest in
giving my time and resources to implementing this. To a certain extent I
regret even bringing up the topic.
People should go back and read my posts as
Of course it's my opinion, shared by 30,000 other communities that have
selected it, which is not too bad.
Anyway, we are not doing this, so further discussion is pointless. I am
surprised by all the pushback.
Andrew
On 25/02/2023 8:51 pm, Paul Hodges wrote:
I guess that's your opinion -
Whatever do you mean? If you read the thread I was freely offering my
time and resources to implement Discourse for lilypond, voluntarily.
Discourse is open source and free. There's no hint of anything
commercial here. You can have Discourse host your instance commercially,
but at no time have
I wouldn't say lots, and neither for sure. I did a major investigation
of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
superior to all, and importantly it can be self hosted, and others
mostly do not have an email list function. Hence why so many
organizations are turning to
OK, I think we can drop the discourse on Discourse :-) I see that it is
too big a change for the users of this list. Running GNU Mailman 2 in
parallel with the list is not something I'm prepared to do, even though
it could just barely be made to work. It's a pity people object to this
newer
You can set your preferences as you see fit. See previous post.
Andrew
On 24/02/2023 10:14 am, Aaron Hill wrote:
That's an overly aggressive pop-up blocker. Opening new pages for
printing is a pretty normal use case.
You have blocked popups in Firefox. It's not from the site. Printing a
page requires a popup dialog. At least my current version of Firefox
(111.0) has an Options button allowing you to handle this in whatever
way you want, which shows at the top of the page. Perhaps in your
version the button
Exactly the point I made. So I agree.
Perhaps add some place for policy and guidelines and mailing list FAQs o
be made clear also. I think this info would be worthy of its own page.
Andrew
On 23/02/2023 9:50 pm, Valentin Petzel wrote:
Hi Jean,
I still think it would be a good idea to
Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
import such lists.
Andrew
On 23/02/2023 12:48 am, Karlin High wrote:
If Discourse can be configured to simply provide a web interface for
the email list, I think that would be more of a restoration rather
than a change to the
I mean openlilylib.space not .org.
a
On 22/02/2023 11:39 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
And of course, re openlilylib.org and it's associated Discourse
server, I created that and shut it down recently due to virtually
complete lack of interest.
My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
harpsichord.] The point is that it runs the web interface and email list
including
Oh come now people. :-) Gen XYZ people have to register to use Discord,
and Facebook, and Reddit, and Twitter, almost all Discourse forums and
more. Most employed people who work use email daily and countless people
understand folders and filters. So email interfaces can't be unfamiliar
to
Wording is perfect.
Andrew
On 22/02/2023 9:36 am, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
“Welcome to the lilypond-user mailing list. We apologize, but in order
to prevent spam, we need you to subscribe to the list before you post.
Please fill out the subscription form on
Hi Wols,
After my post I was just waiting for you to chime in with that. :-) :-)
As to friction, I think it's just that most people are just simply
unaware, rather than having ideological issues (the latter is _not_
directed at you).
All the best from Down Under!
Andrew Bernard
On 22/02
Dear me, mailing lists have been around for half as century or more. If
people do not understand that it is normal to subscribe to a list to
participate there's something wrong. Just reject the posts. That's very
standard, and that is why the list software supports that option. Jean
you
It's under Preferences -> Fonts and Colors at the bottom. But ... that
only sets the text editor font. I have a HiDPI monitor and yes, the
interface - at least, the Document Browser - is microscopic and
unreadable. I also see no setting for that.
Andrew
On 18/02/2023 6:01 pm, Kenneth
Known issue. Grace note synchronisation.
Add a spacer in the other staff.
Andrew
upper = \relative c'' {
\clef treble
\key g \major
\time 4/4
\acciaccatura ais8 b8.
}
lower = \relative c {
\clef bass
\key g \major
\time 4/4
\acciaccatura s8 fis8
}
\score {
\new
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