Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Hohl
Trevor Daniels schrieb: Carl Sorensen wrote Friday, July 24, 2009 2:07 PM On 7/24/09 6:16 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: The structure of the Notation Reference is designed to accommodate documenting this. The specialist sections in NR 2 would contain an indexed description of all the uses of

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:18:42AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:13 PM \crossHeadsOn : turns on cross noteheads for all

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:18:42AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:13 PM >> >> On 7/21/09 3:00 PM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: >>> >> So, if we follow this advice (which I think is good), I'd propose the >> following: >> >> \crossHeadsOn : turns on cross

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:13 PM On 7/21/09 3:00 PM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Given the wide variation in the use of the x-shaped note head I think the only possible name to use is one that reflects the shape of the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or similar - rather

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Friday, July 24, 2009 2:07 PM On 7/24/09 6:16 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: The structure of the Notation Reference is designed to accommodate documenting this. The specialist sections in NR 2 would contain an indexed description of all the uses of crossed note heads. For

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Hans Aberg
On 24 Jul 2009, at 14:54, Carl Sorensen wrote: So perhaps \xNote, \xNoteOn and \xNoteOff might be better. I prefer \xHead. What is being changed is the head, not anything else. I don't have a preference :-) - it just came to my mind. If we were changing stems and flags, then I'd prefer

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Marc Hohl
Carl Sorensen schrieb: On 7/24/09 6:16 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: The structure of the Notation Reference is designed to accommodate documenting this. The specialist sections in NR 2 would contain an indexed description of all the uses of crossed note heads. For example, under "Common n

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Marc Hohl
Mark Polesky schrieb: Carl Sorensen wrote: Recognizing that we may want to change noteheads to various styles, and that we may want to mix styles in a chord, it might be a good idea to define a function \changeNoteHead that accepts a style parameter, and then define \xHead as \changeNoteHead

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > Recognizing that we may want to change noteheads to > various styles, and that we may want to mix styles in a chord, it > might be a good idea to define a function \changeNoteHead that accepts > a style parameter, and then define \xHead as \changeNoteHead #'cross. > > I ha

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/24/09 6:16 AM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > The structure of the Notation Reference is designed > to accommodate documenting this. The specialist > sections in NR 2 would contain an indexed description > of all the uses of crossed note heads. For example, > under "Common notation for wi

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/24/09 3:06 AM, "Hans Aberg" wrote: > On 24 Jul 2009, at 07:58, Marc Hohl wrote: > >> I think it would be the easiest way to define a neutral name first. >> Personally, I like the idea of \xHead, \xHeadOn and \xHeadOff. > > I think so, too. In computer lingo terms, you want define two th

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hans Aberg wrote Friday, July 24, 2009 10:06 AM On 24 Jul 2009, at 07:58, Marc Hohl wrote: I think it would be the easiest way to define a neutral name first. Personally, I like the idea of \xHead, \xHeadOn and \xHeadOff. I think so, too. In computer lingo terms, you want define two thin

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-24 Thread Hans Aberg
On 24 Jul 2009, at 07:58, Marc Hohl wrote: I think it would be the easiest way to define a neutral name first. Personally, I like the idea of \xHead, \xHeadOn and \xHeadOff. I think so, too. In computer lingo terms, you want define two things: the implementation, and the user interface. Lily

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-23 Thread Marc Hohl
Carl Sorensen schrieb: On 7/23/09 12:28 PM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: Hi Mark, is there a clear advantage to having a smaller namespace? No need to maintain crossrefs and aliases in the documentation. [Might not be a huge thing, but it's a "clear advantage".] I don't

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/23/09 12:28 PM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> is there a clear advantage to having a smaller namespace? > > No need to maintain crossrefs and aliases in the documentation. > [Might not be a huge thing, but it's a "clear advantage".] I don't think it's necessary to maintain

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-23 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Mark, is there a clear advantage to having a smaller namespace? No need to maintain crossrefs and aliases in the documentation. [Might not be a huge thing, but it's a "clear advantage".] Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-23 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > For me, I think the "correct musical semantics" argument overrides the > "don't expand the namespace" argument. Pardon my ignorance, but is there a legitimate downside to expanding the namespace? Does it affect performance speed? Eat up memory? Or is it just that it makes

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-23 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/22/09 8:29 AM, "Kieren MacMillan" wrote: > Hi all, > > Just adding my 2¢... > >>> I might disagree. I'm big on semantics, and I would rather have a >>> lot of commands that create the same look but mean different >>> things, than have one command that creates a look which could mean >>>

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
Sorry for the noise. I didn't think the first version of this email had succeeded. Paul Paul Scott wrote: Hans Aberg wrote: On 21 Jul 2009, at 20:20, Carl Sorensen wrote: ... a question come up about the name for some notation. In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
Hans Aberg wrote: On 21 Jul 2009, at 20:20, Carl Sorensen wrote: ... a question come up about the name for some notation. In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described as a "dead note" that is notated in both tablature and staff notation with a cross-style notehead. This note i

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Scott
Hans Aberg wrote: On 21 Jul 2009, at 20:20, Carl Sorensen wrote: ... a question come up about the name for some notation. In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described as a "dead note" that is notated in both tablature and staff notation with a cross-style notehead. This note i

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Marc Hohl
Ian Hulin schrieb: Mark Polesky wrote: "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Given the wide variation in the use of the x-shaped note head I think the only possible name to use is one that reflects the shape of the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or similar - rather than trying to find a suitable generi

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Ian Hulin
Mark Polesky wrote: "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Given the wide variation in the use of the x-shaped note head I think the only possible name to use is one that reflects the shape of the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or similar - rather than trying to find a suitable generic name which adequat

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Just adding my 2¢... I might disagree. I'm big on semantics, and I would rather have a lot of commands that create the same look but mean different things, than have one command that creates a look which could mean a lot of different things. I don't know how people will be using LilyPon

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/21/09 9:01 PM, "Mark Polesky" wrote: > > > "Trevor Daniels" wrote: >> Given the wide variation in the use of the >> x-shaped note head I think the only possible >> name to use is one that reflects the shape of >> the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or >> similar - rather than tryin

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Marc Hohl
David Raleigh Arnold schrieb: On Tuesday 21 July 2009, Mark Polesky wrote: "Trevor Daniels" wrote: Given the wide variation in the use of the x-shaped note head I think the only possible name to use is one that reflects the shape of the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or similar -

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Tuesday 21 July 2009, Mark Polesky wrote: > > "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > Given the wide variation in the use of the > > x-shaped note head I think the only possible > > name to use is one that reflects the shape of > > the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or > > similar - rather than tryin

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-22 Thread Marc Hohl
TaoCG schrieb: Carl Sorensen-3 wrote: 2) For each of the instances you identified in part 1), what do you call the resulting note? I've never heard the term 'dead note' but 'ghost note' is very common. Doesn't matter if it's a string or wind instrument. Neither is it limited to woodwin

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread TaoCG
ent. Neither is it limited to woodwinds, it occurs in brass as well. Listen to Miles Davis, Chet Baker, etc. and you will hear this a lot. For string instruments I experience this to be especially common among electric bass players. Regards, Tao -- View this message in context: http://www.nabbl

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Mark Polesky
"Trevor Daniels" wrote: > Given the wide variation in the use of the > x-shaped note head I think the only possible > name to use is one that reflects the shape of > the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or > similar - rather than trying to find a suitable > generic name which adequately covers

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/21/09 3:00 PM, "Trevor Daniels" wrote: > > > Given the wide variation in the use of the > x-shaped note head I think the only possible > name to use is one that reflects the shape of > the note head - crossNote, crossNoteHead or > similar - rather than trying to find a suitable > generi

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Trevor Daniels
- Original Message - From: "Mark Polesky" To: "Carl Sorensen" ; "lilypond" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads Carl Sorensen wrote: 1) What instances (other than a drum staff) are

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Jul 2009, at 21:18, Mark Polesky wrote: There is an informative section called "Unpitched Sounds" on p.190 of Kurt Stone's book. Basically he says unpitched sounds should be notated with x-shaped heads on an extra line (usually above the staff) with a textual performance direction written

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Mark Polesky
There is an informative section called "Unpitched Sounds" on p.190 of Kurt Stone's book. Basically he says unpitched sounds should be notated with x-shaped heads on an extra line (usually above the staff) with a textual performance direction written at first occurence, using opposing stem-directio

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Jul 2009, at 20:20, Carl Sorensen wrote: I'd prefer to get the most useful name for the notation, but I'd also like to avoid instrument-specific names if possible. There is a Unicode name for it: MUSICAL SYMBOL X NOTEHEAD U+1D143 (And there is a list of noteheads up to U+1D15B MUS

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > 1) What instances (other than a drum staff) are you aware of > where a note uses a cross symbol rather than a standard note > head? > > 2) For each of the instances you identified in part 1), what do > you call the resulting note? Below I've listed all the uses of the x-sha

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Hans Aberg
On 21 Jul 2009, at 20:20, Carl Sorensen wrote: ... a question come up about the name for some notation. In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described as a "dead note" that is notated in both tablature and staff notation with a cross- style notehead. This note is played on a mut

Re: Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: > In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described as a "dead note" > that is notated in both tablature and staff notation with a cross-style > notehead. This note is played on a muted string, so it gets rhythm but no > real pitch. Just to clarify: a "cross-style"

Best name for function to create cross-style noteheads

2009-07-21 Thread Carl Sorensen
Dear LilyPond users, Marc Hohl has done a good job of improving tablature notation. We're just ready to add it to LilyPond 2.13.4. In the process of adding it, a question come up about the name for some notation. In rock (and maybe jazz) guitar, there is a note described as a "dead note" that i