Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Abraham, I sympathise with your employment redundancy and the issues it creates, and understand this as a rationale for you re-licensing your fonts under a commercial licence. While there is nothing wrong with that, I wonder if you have done your market research on this? How many people are

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Carl, Since Abraham is relicensing his fonts to make them proprietary (and I make no bones about the use of that term), font foundries normally deny you this first freedom that you are assuming. I assume Abraham will not supply this freedom either. Typically a text font may not be used any

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Steve Lacy
I have found the orignial SIL-licensed files available on the internet, and have made a new GitHub organization and corresponding repositories for the fonts themselves. Please see https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts I've included all that I could find from fonts.openlilylib.org, as well as

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Sharon Rosner
Abraham, FWIW I totally support your decision to go "commercial", and as I said before in private, I'm already waiting to pay for your work. I also think you could benefit from offering your fonts for use in Finale in Sibelius, perhaps using the SMuFL standard. For those of you who are looking

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Abraham (et al.), >> Gumroad might be a good option for distribution >> and it would also allow you to provide the older fonts >> on a pay-what-you-want model. > Interesting... I'll look into it! Just a personal +1: I use Gumroad to sell/distribute my musical scores. I think this is an

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread tisimst
tyronicus, On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:09 PM, tyronicus [via Lilypond] < ml-node+s1069038n189037...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > Abraham, > > I wish you the best in your future efforts with music font design. You > definitely have a talent for it and your efforts have been > commendable. Thanks for

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Abraham Lee
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Paul Morris wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2016, at 4:13 AM, tisimst wrote: > > > > I have considered Patreon before, but before I jump into that, does > anyone else have any other suggestion? > > Gratipay (formerly

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread tyronicus
Abraham, I wish you the best in your future efforts with music font design. You definitely have a talent for it and your efforts have been commendable. Gumroad might be a good option for distribution and it would also allow you to provide the older fonts on a pay-what-you-want model. At least

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Paul Morris
> On Mar 27, 2016, at 4:13 AM, tisimst wrote: > > I have considered Patreon before, but before I jump into that, does anyone > else have any other suggestion? Gratipay (formerly Gittip) is worth considering: https://gratipay.com/ It is more radical than Patreon

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/26/16 5:09 PM, "Stephen MacNeil" wrote: >I don't think I read any where that Abraham was making the fonts >"proprietary" .. I do believe he said "Some fonts are becoming >commercial". And proprietary doesn't necessarily mean closed source. >Although in most cases

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Abraham Lee
Urs, On Sunday, March 27, 2016, Urs Liska wrote: > > > Am 27. März 2016 10:13:20 MESZ, schrieb tisimst < > tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com >: > >Andrew, > > > >On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:39 AM, N. Andrew Walsh [via Lilypond] < >

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread bart deruyter
Hi all, reading this thread, I've been doing some searching, rather 'googling' about fonts and lilypond. Given the current situation, there is a lot of confusion. With this I mean that right now I find everywhere that you can change the font, of course fonts.openlilylib.org is closed, which

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread Urs Liska
Am 27. März 2016 10:13:20 MESZ, schrieb tisimst : >Andrew, > >On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:39 AM, N. Andrew Walsh [via Lilypond] < >ml-node+s1069038n189018...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > >> A side note: it seems to me that one of Abraham's root causes for >wanting >> to

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread tisimst
Andrew, On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:39 AM, N. Andrew Walsh [via Lilypond] < ml-node+s1069038n189018...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > A side note: it seems to me that one of Abraham's root causes for wanting > to commercialize the substantial work he's done making engraving fonts is > his own financial

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-27 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
A side note: it seems to me that one of Abraham's root causes for wanting to commercialize the substantial work he's done making engraving fonts is his own financial situation. If this is the case, it might be worth considering some of the crowd-funding mechanisms that support development work.

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Abraham Lee
Andrew, On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Andrew Bernard wrote: > What I am concerned about is how would a lawyer or the owner know if you > were using the open source font or the commercial one? There is no way to > tell the difference from a published score as far as I

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Andrew Bernard
What I am concerned about is how would a lawyer or the owner know if you were using the open source font or the commercial one? There is no way to tell the difference from a published score as far as I would know. There are now many concerns. Hopefully the developed will clarify for us soon.

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread tisimst
Andrew, et al, On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Andrew Bernard [via Lilypond] < ml-node+s1069038n189008...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > Hi Abraham, > > With your announcement of the commercialisation of your fonts and the > taking down of the website, there is clearly a lot of speculation and >

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread tyronicus
Andrew Bernard wrote > I for one am quite concerned that the huge effort I have invested in > scores using your fonts will become nullified. The fonts are licensed openly; you are free to keep using them if you have them. It's the newer versions that may have restrictions, so there may not be

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Abraham, With your announcement of the commercialisation of your fonts and the taking down of the website, there is clearly a lot of speculation and uncertainty in the user community. Would you be so kind as to lay out for the list a full explanation of your approach going forward so as to

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Stephen MacNeil
I don't think I read any where that Abraham was making the fonts "proprietary" .. I do believe he said "Some fonts are becoming commercial". And proprietary doesn't necessarily mean closed source. Although in most cases it does, because proprietary software if modified holds ownership "usually"

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26. März 2016 19:58:01 MEZ, schrieb Carl Sorensen : >On 3/26/16 12:09 PM, "Abraham Lee" wrote: > >> >> >>If there are no objections, I will provide you with the latest files >that >>existed at the time I closed up shop. I can't stop you from

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/26/16 12:09 PM, "Abraham Lee" wrote: > > >If there are no objections, I will provide you with the latest files that >existed at the time I closed up shop. I can't stop you from hosting them, >but if I can request one thing, I'd appreciate it. Would you please

Re: Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Abraham Lee
Carl, On Saturday, March 26, 2016, Carl Sorensen wrote: > Dear users, > > As many of you are aware, we have lost the repository of the libre fonts > formerly available on fonts.openlilylib.org. > > In order to preserve access to these fonts, I'm willing to host a >

Fonts from the former fonts.openlilylib.org

2016-03-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
Dear users, As many of you are aware, we have lost the repository of the libre fonts formerly available on fonts.openlilylib.org. In order to preserve access to these fonts, I'm willing to host a repository consistent with the license of the fonts as they were hosted at that time. However, I