Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread John Mandereau
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2008 à 10:55 -0800, Graham Percival a écrit : 2008/1/22, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree; I've never encountered the term half-flats. But maybe it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the appropriate terms in Dutch or French or

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi y'all, Half-flat perfectly makes sense, as a flat is a semi-tone and we want to name a quarter tone i.e. a half of a half tone). However, quarter-flat may have been already too much used to allow using anything else... When I speak with musicians, I almost always say a quarter-tone

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread John Mandereau
Le jeudi 24 janvier 2008 à 09:11 -0500, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : When I speak with musicians, I almost always say a quarter-tone flat -- I rarely (if ever) say a half-flat or a quarter-flat. But maybe that's just me... IMHO quarter-flat/sharp is non-sense and sounds ugly when speaking of

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:50:33 +0100 John Mandereau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO quarter-flat/sharp is non-sense and sounds ugly when speaking of quarter-tones, and it looks like from emails in this thread that half-sharp is rarely used. quarter-tone flat/sharp is most meaningful and

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/1/22, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree; I've never encountered the term half-flats. But maybe it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the appropriate terms in Dutch or French or something?) Please do not *always* assume that because something is weird, it must be

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Trevor Bača
On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 AM, Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/22, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree; I've never encountered the term half-flats. But maybe it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the appropriate terms in Dutch or French or something?)

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Ralph Little
Perhaps the quarter/half thing is a confusion of terms? If you look at flats and sharps as semi- or half-tones then a half of one of those could be reasonably termed quarter-tones. I've not seen a quarter flat but I have seen the term quarter tone Ralph

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:08:23 -0600 Trevor Ba__a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 AM, Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/22, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree; I've never encountered the term half-flats. But maybe it's a European thing? (or a

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:34:30 -0500 Palmer, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed an issue regarding the See also on the TODO list: - all the commands like @seealso use a @subsubheading, but they appear as the same size as the @unnumberedsubsubsec headings (as you would expect). Fix

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-22 Thread Damian leGassick
half-flat? half-sharp? honestly i've never encountered this expression in english in europe or US with any ensemble or composer i've been involved with (and i've directed and recorded a lot of microtonal music...branca, kline, scelsi, nono, xenakis, ziporyn) d On 22 Jan 2008, at 07:28,

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-22 Thread Palmer, Ralph
Hi, Graham - I noticed an issue regarding the See also on the TODO list: - all the commands like @seealso use a @subsubheading, but they appear as the same size as the @unnumberedsubsubsec headings (as you would expect). Fix somehow. I had noticed that, and wondered if adding a blank line

GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
Well, that was humbling. I honestly thought that NR 1.1 Pitches was almost perfect, but the comments (thank you!) from last time clearly indicated otherwise. When I tried to read the material with a fresh mind (aided by the comments), I found many, many things to fix. As always, GDP here:

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. - The text in Octave corrections and checks is contradictory. First it says that an octave check does not change the pitch, then it says

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:24:22 +0100 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. - The text in Octave corrections and checks is

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:24:22 +0100 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. - The text in Octave

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:36:32 +0100 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Not true; with = the d's octave is changed; with \octave the d's octave is not changed. No! The difference is that = modifies the pitch on the current note, whereas the \octave changes

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Trevor Bača
On Jan 21, 2008 3:15 AM, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that was humbling. I honestly thought that NR 1.1 Pitches was almost perfect, but the comments (thank you!) from last time clearly indicated otherwise. When I tried to read the material with a fresh mind (aided by the

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:16:51 -0600 Trevor Ba__a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm, can we check something here? Please, that's the whole point of this. Half-flats and half-sharps are formed by adding eh and ih; ... ... which sounds absoutely crazy to me and should instead read ...