RE: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Steven, could you please share the steps you did to set up running LilyPond in a Docker container on your Mac? I really want to try this as I a solution for using LilyPond on macOS Catalina 10.51.1. I don't have any experience using or setting up Docker containers. Thanks, Gail -- Sent from: htt

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 20:24, Mason Hock wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Stockfish and am not sure what > their situation is. If one has the sources, they can be modified, and using Xcode, compiled, and the binary can be installed on a device connected to the computer without using the app sto

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 03/07, Karlin High wrote: > Okay, probably not. Apple and GPL-maker the Free Software Foundation seem > pretty uninterested in each other's goals. > > > >

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 15:01, Karlin High wrote: > > On 3/7/2019 7:44 AM, Karlin High wrote: >> Think it's worth reaching out to that project to find out? > > Okay, probably not. Apple and GPL-maker the Free Software Foundation seem > pretty uninterested in each other's goals. > >

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/7/2019 7:44 AM, Karlin High wrote: Think it's worth reaching out to that project to find out? Okay, probably not. Apple and GPL-maker the Free Software Foundation seem pretty uninterested in each other's goals.

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/6/2019 5:34 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: Isn't it enough to distribute the sources along with the app, as with Stockfish https://stockfishchess.org/download/ That DOES look like a GPL v3 project getting distributed on Apple App Store. I wonder how that's allo

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

> On 6 Mar 2019, at 04:20, Austin Blaser wrote: > > Regarding the iOS App Store: Oh yeah I forgot about the licensing: definitely > a potential deal breaker. Isn't it enough to distribute the sources along with the app, as with Stockfish https://stockfishchess.org/download/ ___

RE: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

High Cc: Mason Hock ; lilypond-user ; Carl Sorensen Subject: Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac Regarding the iOS App Store: Oh yeah I forgot about the licensing: definitely a potential deal breaker. One other possibility I’ve thought about is building an iOS app that would have all the

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Regarding the iOS App Store: Oh yeah I forgot about the licensing: definitely a potential deal breaker. One other possibility I’ve thought about is building an iOS app that would have all the text editing capability one would need, but then send the .ly files to a backend server to typeset with

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 8:02 PM Austin Blaser wrote: > I’d like to make an attempt at compiling Llilypond on the Mac. That sounds like an interesting project. If it turns out to not be very hard, it might influence software distribution choices for LilyPond. I’m an iOS developer, so I’m also inte

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

I’d like to make an attempt at compiling Llilypond on the Mac. I’m an iOS developer, so I’m also interested to see if we can compile it to run natively for iOS as well. Compiling for OSX is a good first step to getting it running on iOS. Who would be the best contact to help with any trouble-sh

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Karlin High writes: > On 3/5/2019 11:10 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >>> I don't know if anybody has tried building 64-bit executables in GUB >>> using the current Darwin SDK. If that works, we'd have a regular >>> build. But I don't think that's a feasible path forward long-term. > >> I think it w

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/5/2019 11:10 AM, David Kastrup wrote: I don't know if anybody has tried building 64-bit executables in GUB using the current Darwin SDK. If that works, we'd have a regular build. But I don't think that's a feasible path forward long-term. I think it would be feasible and likely the best

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Carl Sorensen writes: > Our current build system doesn't use the Apple SDK; instead it uses a > Darwin SDK which was created for use with open-source software. Unfortunately, this is wishful thinking. Our current build system uses a version of the Apple SDK that is so old that we are unable to

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/4/19, 10:20 PM, "Mason Hock" wrote: On 03/02, Carl Sorensen wrote: > We cannot use our regular build system to create LilyPond binaries due to Apple’s restrictive licensing on the OSX SDK. Could you explain briefly or link to why this is? I understand that the App Store

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Karlin High writes: > On 3/5/2019 8:27 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> I have a half-dozen Mac machines (of various ages and superpowers) >> here, most of which do nothing >95% of the time. If "running GUB for >> official builds" is a relatively one-click process [assuming the >> setup is already

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Karlin, > >> Nothing. But unless the person running GUB for official builds is a >> big Mac fan and wants to go to extra effort to produce macOS >> installers, it's doubtful those will be coming from lilypond.org. > > I have a half-dozen Mac machines (of various ages

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/5/2019 8:27 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I have a half-dozen Mac machines (of various ages and superpowers) here, most of which do nothing >95% of the time. If "running GUB for official builds" is a relatively one-click process [assuming the setup is already done, of course!], then I’m happ

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi Karlin, > Nothing. But unless the person running GUB for official builds is a big Mac > fan and wants to go to extra effort to produce macOS installers, it's > doubtful those will be coming from lilypond.org. I have a half-dozen Mac machines (of various ages and superpowers) here, most of w

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> Frankly, I am not overly interested in tap-dancing around the rules >> Apple makes in order to keep its users from benefitting from software >> freedom. When the rules Apple makes prohibit us from providing LilyPond >> on MacOSX in a useful and reasonabl

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/5/2019 7:32 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: what’s keeping someone with a Mac from compiling Lilypond on their Mac? Nothing. But unless the person running GUB for official builds is a big Mac fan and wants to go to extra effort to produce macOS installers, it's doubtful those will be coming

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi David, > Frankly, I am not overly interested in tap-dancing around the rules > Apple makes in order to keep its users from benefitting from software > freedom. When the rules Apple makes prohibit us from providing LilyPond > on MacOSX in a useful and reasonably sustainable manner, the conclusi

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Sven Axelsson writes: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 12:59, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Apple disallows using the OSX SDK on non-Apple hardware. That >> definitely is a dealbreaker for GUB. >> > > If that is the problem, couldn't we get around it by running GUB in a > virtual machine on a Mac? Frankly,

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 12:59, David Kastrup wrote: > Apple disallows using the OSX SDK on non-Apple hardware. That > definitely is a dealbreaker for GUB. > If that is the problem, couldn't we get around it by running GUB in a virtual machine on a Mac? -- Sven Axelsson ++[>++>++

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Mason Hock writes: > On 03/02, Carl Sorensen wrote: >> We cannot use our regular build system to create LilyPond binaries >> due to Apple’s restrictive licensing on the OSX SDK. > > Could you explain briefly or link to why this is? I understand that the > App Store's restrictions would violate th

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 03/02, Carl Sorensen wrote: > We cannot use our regular build system to create LilyPond binaries due to > Apple’s restrictive licensing on the OSX SDK. Could you explain briefly or link to why this is? I understand that the App Store's restrictions would violate the GPL, and that Apple avoids

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi Robert > > Thanks for your reassuring message. It helped. > You're welcome. > > TeXShop took some time to consider whether it would or would not > process my _ly.tex-file, but after a few minutes it produced an > impeccable pdf. > The startup delay, at least the first time around, is mak

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi Mark, Thanks for your reassuring message. It helped. Today I copied some LilyPond apps, plus the relevant TeXShop engines, to a External HD to transfer that stuff to my mid 2011 iMac, also High Sierra. TeXShop took some time to consider whether it would or would not process my _ly.tex-file,

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi, Robert. > > Thanks for your prompt reassuring response. > I will now first test LilyPond on my other rather old and slow Mac, > running on High Sierra. > As another check point, I am happily running Lilypond (2.19.82) on a mid-2011 13" MBP running OSX 10.13.6 (High Sierra). Best to ins

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

> On 2 Mar 2019, at 19:01, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > However, there has been discussion about this recently on the developer list. > Hans Åberg recently completed a 64-bit MacPorts build on OSX and says it > works, although it takes a long time. It may be the dependencies that took a long t

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi Karlin, Carl and Michael, Thanks for your prompt reassuring response. I will now first test LilyPond on my other rather old and slow Mac, running on High Sierra. If that works I will upgrade mij MacBook. Thanks again. Best regards, Robert Blackstone On 2 Mar 2019, at 19:13 , Karlin High

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

On 3/2/2019 11:49 AM, Michael Hendry wrote: MacOS 10.14 (Mojave) was apparently intended to be 64-bit only, but it still supports 32-bit code Exactly. Mojave just gives a warning that future versions of macOS won't run the software, and please contact the developer to remind them of this. --

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

> On 2 Mar 2019, at 17:36, Robert Blackstone > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Up till now I have done all of my LilyPond work on a MacBook Pro with MacOSX > 10.9.5, alias Mavericks. > > Recently DropBox warned me that on april 9 it will end the support of the > Dropbox Desktop App for this OS. In

Re: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

From: Robert Blackstone Date: Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 10:36 AM To: lilypond-user Subject: LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac Hi all, Up till now I have done all of my LilyPond work on a MacBook Pro with MacOSX 10.9.5, alias Mavericks. Recently DropBox warned me that on april 9 it will

LilyPond 64-bit version for a Mac

Hi all, Up till now I have done all of my LilyPond work on a MacBook Pro with MacOSX 10.9.5, alias Mavericks. Recently DropBox warned me that on april 9 it will end the support of the Dropbox Desktop App for this OS. In other words, to keep using this app., I will have to upgrade my OS. But