Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, What about a radical alternative? What if each non-reference part has an additional “tick” barline (numbered according to the reference context) whereever the barlines don’t line up? Just a thought… Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website:

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-13 Thread Graham King
On Thu, 2015-11-12 at 10:38 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 10 Nov 2015 at 13:52:33 (+), Graham King wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 21:53 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 09 Nov 2015 at 23:22:14 (+), Graham King wrote: > > > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 14:55 -0600,

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-12 Thread David Wright
On Tue 10 Nov 2015 at 13:52:33 (+), Graham King wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 21:53 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 09 Nov 2015 at 23:22:14 (+), Graham King wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 14:55 -0600, Christopher R. Maden wrote: > > On 11/09/2015 02:47 PM, Kieren

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-11 Thread Graham King
On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 09:18 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2015 um 01:32 schrieb Graham King: > > > > > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 22:50 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > > Am 10.11.2015 um 18:06 schrieb Graham King: > > > > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 10:09 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > >

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2015 um 11:14 schrieb Graham King: > annotate "installs" itself in the Score context, and in polymetric scores the timing-translator has to be removed from that context. So to approach the issue one would have to remove \annotationProcessor from the Score

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-11 Thread Graham King
On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 18:44 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2015 um 11:14 schrieb Graham King: > > > > > > > > > > > > annotate "installs" itself in the Score context, and in polymetric > > > > > scores the timing-translator has to be removed from that context. > > > > > > > > >

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2015 um 01:32 schrieb Graham King: > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 22:50 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: >> Am 10.11.2015 um 18:06 schrieb Graham King: >> > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 10:09 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 09.11.2015 um 17:34 schrieb Graham King: >> >> >> >>> (This note

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Graham King
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 10:09 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 09.11.2015 um 17:34 schrieb Graham King: > > > > > (This note describes an issue arising from the separate thread, > > "Scholarly footnotes" [1]) > > > > I would like to use Urs' annotate.ily[2] to add some footnotes to an > >

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.11.2015 um 18:06 schrieb Graham King: > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 10:09 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: >> >> >> Am 09.11.2015 um 17:34 schrieb Graham King: >> >>> (This note describes an issue arising from the separate thread, >>> "Scholarly footnotes" [1]) >>> >>> I would like to use Urs'

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.11.2015 um 00:56 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi Graham, > >> I've just realised that, under my system as I described it, a part could >> have the same bar number twice. > My proposed solution would be an “analytic continuation” (to borrow a > mathematical term) of the non-polymetric

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.11.2015 um 17:34 schrieb Graham King: > (This note describes an issue arising from the separate thread, > "Scholarly footnotes" [1]) > > I would like to use Urs' annotate.ily[2] to add some footnotes to an > edition of sixteenth-century polyphony. But, before investing too > much time, I

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Graham King
On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 22:50 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 10.11.2015 um 18:06 schrieb Graham King: > > On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 10:09 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > >> > >> > >> Am 09.11.2015 um 17:34 schrieb Graham King: > >> > >>> (This note describes an issue arising from the separate thread, > >>>

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, > On the positive side: > +1This scheme guarantees a unique id for each bar. The id increases in a > sensible manner. > +2The scheme is robust with respect to re-formatting, if systems are > split or joined. > +3Since Lilypond's default behaviour is to break lines only

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, > I have no idea if it is also appropriate for ancient music. Well, the absence of [any] barlines makes barline numbering more complex… ;) > Aren't there any useful references, how have others dealt with that challenge? I can’t find any! Cheers, Kieren.

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.11.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi Urs, > >> I have no idea if it is also appropriate for ancient music. > > Well, the absence of [any] barlines makes barline numbering more complex… ;) Of course it depends on the way an edition deals with that. > >> Aren't there any

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-10 Thread Graham King
On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 21:53 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 09 Nov 2015 at 23:22:14 (+), Graham King wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 14:55 -0600, Christopher R. Maden wrote: > > > > On 11/09/2015 02:47 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > > The very first thing they said to me was,

ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Graham King
(This note describes an issue arising from the separate thread, "Scholarly footnotes" [1]) I would like to use Urs' annotate.ily[2] to add some footnotes to an edition of sixteenth-century polyphony. But, before investing too much time, I need to check whether there is now a way for it to cope

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Chris, > What do you need the bar numbers for? I suspect rehearsal marks would fit > the bill, no? If not, why not? The score runs 105 measures in the piano part. I have 9 rehearsal marks (A-I), for an average of ~12 measures per rehearsal mark. In anticipation of officially

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Is there a standard/convention/best practice on measure numbering in polymetric scores? I’m running into an issue of that myself (in my song “The Country Wife”), and can’t find anything definitive. Note: Gould (p. 484) writes, “Bar numbers should not be used in music in which

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Christopher R. Maden
On 11/09/2015 01:47 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Is there a standard/convention/best practice on measure numbering in polymetric scores? I’m running into an issue of that myself (in my song “The Country Wife”), and can’t find anything definitive. Note: Gould (p. 484) writes, “Bar numbers should

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Christopher R. Maden
On 11/09/2015 02:47 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: The very first thing they said to me was, “Add measure numbers.” That’s sufficient reason for me. =) Good answer. In that case, I would pick one part, and force those measure numbers in as numeric rehearsal marks in the other parts.

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread David Wright
On Mon 09 Nov 2015 at 23:22:14 (+), Graham King wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 14:55 -0600, Christopher R. Maden wrote: > > On 11/09/2015 02:47 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > The very first thing they said to me was, “Add measure numbers.” > > > > That’s sufficient reason for

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Graham King
On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 14:55 -0600, Christopher R. Maden wrote: > On 11/09/2015 02:47 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > > The very first thing they said to me was, “Add measure numbers.” > > > > That’s sufficient reason for me. =) > > Good answer. > > In that case, I would pick one part, and force

Re: ScholarLy and polymetric music? (bar numbering, \RemoveEmptyStaffContext)

2015-11-09 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Graham, > I've just realised that, under my system as I described it, a part could have > the same bar number twice. My proposed solution would be an “analytic continuation” (to borrow a mathematical term) of the non-polymetric measure numbering scheme: 1. A “reference context” would be