Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-07 Thread Richard Shann
It looks like you have made the use of ♯ and ♭ conditional on including english.ly? As someone mentioned earlier, these are international and so would need to be in the default note names. Ideally, there would be a mechanism to accumulate names not just replace them, so that these only needed to

Re: Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Noeck
Am 07.10.2014 um 01:09 schrieb MarcM: > > Find attached a "define-note-names.scm" file that contains the definition > for the new note names with ♯ and ♭. Who can help get it in lilypond source > code control ? > > test_english_symbol.pdf >

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Hans Aberg
> On 7 Oct 2014, at 01:12, MarcM wrote: > > Hans Aberg-2 wrote >>> I know using '#' would not work due to conflict with scheme but what >>> about >>> using the Unicode symbols? >> >> It works, in fact I have already done that [1] (after downloading the >> files, change the names to what is lis

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MarcM
Hans Aberg-2 wrote >> On 6 Oct 2014, at 15:49, MarcM < > marc@ > > wrote: >> >> >> In an effort to make lilypond syntax easier for people to adopt, i'd love >> to >> see lilypond support the ♯ and ♭alterations Unicode symbols. >> >> I know using '#' would not work due to conflict with sche

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MarcM
Find attached a "define-note-names.scm" file that contains the definition for the new note names with ♯ and ♭. Who can help get it in lilypond source code control ? test_english_symbol.pdf test_english_symbol.ly

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Owain Sutton
On 23:58, Mon 06 Oct 2014, Noeck wrote: > Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:58:29 +0200 > From: Noeck > Subject: Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭ > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > List-Id: LilyPond user discussion > > Am 06.10.2014 um 22:58 schrieb Owain Sutton: > >> IMO opinion u

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Noeck
Am 06.10.2014 um 22:58 schrieb Owain Sutton: >> IMO opinion using these unicode symbols for sharps and flats is an >> interesting idea - but I personally will probably never use it. > > I agree, it's likely to remain a niche option. I don't see that as a reason > for > not including it though, a

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Hans Aberg
> On 6 Oct 2014, at 15:49, MarcM wrote: > > > In an effort to make lilypond syntax easier for people to adopt, i'd love to > see lilypond support the ♯ and ♭alterations Unicode symbols. > > I know using '#' would not work due to conflict with scheme but what about > using the Unicode symbols?

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Owain Sutton
> A non-techie might have problems knowing the difference between # and ♯, and > between b and ♭ > And what about the double-sharp? What symbol would be used for that? > > I agree it is easier to read. But you normally don't use LilyPond just to > read music. But if you do, you are definitely not

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread David Bellows
I could see where this could be useful when sharing Lilypond files. Since we don't all use the same language setting things can get a bit confusing. But it seems like this should be something that one's editor does. Like I type my Lilypond file as I normally do it and then hit "M-x lilypond-beauti

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, MarcM wrote: I agree it is not easier to type but any non-techie musician will find this easier to read. Adding shortcuts in Frescobaldi will help type the ♯ and ♭. A non-techie might have problems knowing the difference between # and ♯, and between b and ♭ And what ab

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Robert Schmaus
Am 06/10/14 17:37, schrieb MarcM: > I agree it is not easier to type but any non-techie musician will find this > easier to read. Well, any non-techie musician will probably not be interested in reading the source file anyway. In my experience, "non-techie musicians" are impressed with the resu

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MING TSANG
Marc: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: MarcM >To: lilypond-user@gnu.org >Subject: Re: Supporting ? and ? >Message-ID: <1412609875943-167212.p...@n5.nabble.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >I agree it is not easier to type but any non-techie musici

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Tim Roberts
MarcM wrote: > In an effort to make lilypond syntax easier for people to adopt, i'd love to > see lilypond support the ♯ and ♭alterations Unicode symbols. > > I know using '#' would not work due to conflict with scheme but what about > using the Unicode symbols? > > "g g g e♭" would be easier to

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2014-10-06 17:37 GMT+02:00 MarcM : > I agree it is not easier to type but any non-techie musician will find this > easier to read. > Adding shortcuts in Frescobaldi will help type the ♯ and ♭. Yes, using this symbols will make sense if someone has an editor with appropriate shortcuts. Personally

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MarcM
I agree it is not easier to type but any non-techie musician will find this easier to read. Adding shortcuts in Frescobaldi will help type the ♯ and ♭. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Supporting-and-tp167206p167212.html Sent from the User mailing list a

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hello Marc, I find if surprising that you call this 'easier to type'. At any rate, alphabetic characters are way easier to reach on virtually any keyboard layout. Few layouts will support those signs at all. And I think LilyPonds representation of notes is reasonably easy to read. Perhaps it re

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MarcM
yep this works, I started creating a new language "English_normal" (lack of inspiration for now) and started writing a chromatic scale. Any interest in adding this to lilypond ? If so, how do I submit it in the source code control? -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.n

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 15:53 +0200, Malte Meyn wrote: > You can try to add another “language” (or add alias entries to the > english language) in the file define-note-names.scm. I’m not sure > whether this will work (does Scheme support Unicode?) but it would be > definitely a simple solution. T

Re: Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread Malte Meyn
You can try to add another “language” (or add alias entries to the english language) in the file define-note-names.scm. I’m not sure whether this will work (does Scheme support Unicode?) but it would be definitely a simple solution. Am 06.10.2014 um 15:49 schrieb MarcM: In an effort to make

Supporting ♯ and ♭

2014-10-06 Thread MarcM
In an effort to make lilypond syntax easier for people to adopt, i'd love to see lilypond support the ♯ and ♭alterations Unicode symbols. I know using '#' would not work due to conflict with scheme but what about using the Unicode symbols? "g g g e♭" would be easier to write and read then "g g