2009/1/17 Chip :
> I'll take you word for it because I don't know the difference between all
> the transposition types you mention above, haven't even heard of some of
> 'em.
Actually I've only mentioned two types. Suppose you want to transpose
{ c d e f g a b c } a fourth lower. You could think o
Francisco Vila wrote:
2009/1/16 Chip :
I figured it out - without any special trickery or anything else.
Of course, but you do need manual adjustments.
I can live with that. Maybe someday a tool will be written and built
into Lily to do the transposition, until then, I'll make the
2009/1/16 Chip :
> I figured it out - without any special trickery or anything else.
Of course, but you do need manual adjustments.
> \transpose g d \relative c''' { \transpose d g << \trptnotes2>> }
\transpose always does chromatic transposition, ie keeping a fixed
interval of the same type of
I figured it out - without any special trickery or anything else.
My piece is arrange as follows, a very truncated version of an 8 horn
piece -
\include ""
\version ""
\header {}
\paper {}
global = {\key g \major and more stuff }
\trumpetnotes1 = { a b c d e f g }
trptnotes1 = \relative c''' {
Would it be possible to use your
function to do things like inversion? I don't
have lilypond installed where I am right now,
but I'm thinking something like this:
from = { c d e f g a b }
to = { c' b a g f e d }
The only problem is to know in what octave to translate the note, because in
i
M Watts a écrit :
Actually, there is a way, but it's just something to muck around with,
and takes a lot longer than scrawling stuff by hand on a sheet of ms paper.
Mididings, the python-based midi router from
http://das.nasophon.de/mididings/, includes a 'diatonic harmonizer',
which allows
Gilles,
very clever! Would it be possible to use your
function to do things like inversion? I don't
have lilypond installed where I am right now,
but I'm thinking something like this:
from = { c d e f g a b }
to = { c' b a g f e d }
If so, this technique could be used to automate
some seriali
James E. Bailey wrote:
Am 24.12.2008 um 13:26 schrieb M Watts:
Tim Reeves wrote:
Yes, a variable fourth, if you want to call it that - you finally
got it.
This is like the not-so-helpful answer "You can't get there from here."
It just took about 20 messages to get to that conclusion.
Actua
Am 24.12.2008 um 13:26 schrieb M Watts:
Tim Reeves wrote:
> Umm... yeah. The fact that he thinks this answers the question
> gives me *less* confidence that he knows what he's talking about.
> If he wanted it a perfect fourth lower, then \transpose does the
> job. And normally when somebod
Tim Reeves wrote:
> Umm... yeah. The fact that he thinks this answers the question
> gives me *less* confidence that he knows what he's talking about.
> If he wanted it a perfect fourth lower, then \transpose does the
> job. And normally when somebody says "a fourth lower", they mean
> a perf
"Carl D. Sorensen" writes:
> You're right, it would be nice to have this. And fortunately, we do.
Hurray!
> Please look in the file scm/music-functions.scm. Search for
> music->make-music.
Exactly what I asked for. This is a function I'm sure gonna play with!
> In scheme, it does just what y
> Umm... yeah. The fact that he thinks this answers the question
> gives me *less* confidence that he knows what he's talking about.
> If he wanted it a perfect fourth lower, then \transpose does the
> job. And normally when somebody says "a fourth lower", they mean
> a perfect interval. If he w
I didn't follow all the thread but coming back to the original message, I
have tried to make a little scheme function which seems to work. (see
attached file)
It can be also usefull for changing the mode of a music (major to minor for
example).
Merry Christmas.
Gilles
\version "2.11.63"
%
Johan,
On 12/23/08 3:18 AM, "Johan Vromans" wrote:
> "Carl D. Sorensen" writes:
>
>> Examples of how LilyPond uses scheme are found in [...]
>
> It would be nice to have a boilerplate scheme function that processes
> an arbitrary music expression and returns a new expression that is an
> ide
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:00:21AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote:
>
> Am 22.12.2008 um 20:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
>
>> I'll point out that half a dozen other people, including music
>> professors, have asked him for clarification after reading that
>> email. So my confusion is not just me being
On 22.12.2008 (12:03), Graham Percival wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:21:56PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
> > 1. Make no mistake about it: using LilyPond IS to be a programmer, to a
> > greater or lesser extent. And even though the plain an simple sheets with a
> > melody line and a title "just
"James E. Bailey" writes:
> I guess we need to distinguish between different types of
> programming then.
Yes. There's a LP level and a Scheme level. The LP level is accessible
to many more people than the Scheme level.
-- Johan
___
lilypond-user ma
Am 23.12.2008 um 11:07 schrieb Francisco Vila:
2008/12/22 chip :
Not everybody has a programmers mind. I don't. I have no interest
whatsoever
in programming. A person should be able to use a piece of software
without
having to be a programmer to do so. If a programming degree is
necessary
"Carl D. Sorensen" writes:
> Examples of how LilyPond uses scheme are found in [...]
It would be nice to have a boilerplate scheme function that processes
an arbitrary music expression and returns a new expression that is an
identical copy of the original expression.
In some arbitrary pseudo-co
2008/12/22 chip :
> Not everybody has a programmers mind. I don't. I have no interest whatsoever
> in programming. A person should be able to use a piece of software without
> having to be a programmer to do so. If a programming degree is necessary to
> use Lily then it is either a) not complete en
2008/12/22 Mark Polesky :
> There have been 15 replies to Chip's
> original message, and NO ONE has answered it yet.
> This is embarrassing.
I did, and asked for more information, but no feedback yet.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00586.html
Also, John started cookin
Am 22.12.2008 um 20:57 schrieb Graham Percival:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:40:48PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote:
If you cannot, or will not, describe what you
actually want, it's very difficult to help you.
He already has! He clearly stated that he wants to
transpose music down a 4th, diatonica
I must say I had no idea that this would turn into such a big deal. As
for the piece I am working on - I've spent the morning typing in the
notes for all the parts long hand, figuring out the intervals as I go,
for each individual instrument. If a scheme program, or whatever it's
called, is eve
On 12/22/08 10:21 AM, "Eyolf Østrem" wrote:
> On 22.12.2008 (17:37), John Mandereau wrote:
>> Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 15:14 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
>>> Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Mandereau:
Indeed: there is currently no thing in all LilyPond documentation that
i
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:21:56PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
> On 22.12.2008 (17:37), John Mandereau wrote:
> > Why not? I'm sure a not so small amount of users would like to program
> > with LilyPond, so revising and extending the Scheme tutorial is a
> > solution IMHO.
It was on the cards for
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:40:48PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote:
> > If you cannot, or will not, describe what you
> > actually want, it's very difficult to help you.
>
> He already has! He clearly stated that he wants to
> transpose music down a 4th, diatonically:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/ht
Am 22.12.2008 um 17:37 schrieb John Mandereau:
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 15:14 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Mandereau:
Indeed: there is currently no thing in all LilyPond documentation
that
introduces Scheme programming for non-programmers.
And the
On 22.12.2008 (17:37), John Mandereau wrote:
> Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 15:14 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
> > Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Mandereau:
> > > Indeed: there is currently no thing in all LilyPond documentation that
> > > introduces Scheme programming for non-programmers.
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 15:14 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
> Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Mandereau:
> > Indeed: there is currently no thing in all LilyPond documentation that
> > introduces Scheme programming for non-programmers.
> And there shouldn't be, in my opinion.
Why not? I
f reference is:
http://www.schemers.org/
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
GF.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "James E. Bailey"
To: John Mandereau
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:14:18 +0100
Subject: Re: question about transposing an interval of a 4th
Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Man
Am 22.12.2008 um 14:04 schrieb John Mandereau:
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 10:56 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
Am 22.12.2008 um 03:52 schrieb Graham Percival:
Oh, I've read the Learning Manual cover to cover (well, it may have
been changed since then, it was some months ago), and I don
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008 à 10:56 +0100, James E. Bailey a écrit :
> Am 22.12.2008 um 03:52 schrieb Graham Percival:
> Oh, I've read the Learning Manual cover to cover (well, it may have
> been changed since then, it was some months ago), and I don't
> understand Scheme.
Indeed: there is curre
chip wrote:
Am 21.12.2008 um 19:07 schrieb chip:
I input in Concert C, transpose to the key of D for Trumpet.
\transpose c d {}
The First Trumpet part transposes to the key of D just fine. I
would like to just copy/paste the first part into the second part.
What's the second part?
Cameron Horsburgh writes:
> He wants it diatonic, so it's not that easy. \transpose c' g {a b c}
> would produce {e fis g} instead of {e f g}.
I'd say that deserves an additional function, e.g.
\transposePitch #-4 { a b c }
I'd also say that it would not be necessary for all LilyPond users
Am 22.12.2008 um 03:52 schrieb Graham Percival:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 06:30:18PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote:
Graham,
Great, that helps a lot. I haven't got a clue
what scheme is.
In that case, may I courteously extend an
invitation that you read the bloody Learning
Manual?
Please stop th
Totally didn't even see the sharp sign.
It's early.
Am 22.12.2008 um 09:39 schrieb Mark Polesky:
James, this is nice, but I don't think it's right.
Chip, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the
second-to-last note in the 3rd staff should be
G-natural, not G-sharp. G-sharp is not diatonic
in th
James, this is nice, but I don't think it's right.
Chip, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the
second-to-last note in the 3rd staff should be
G-natural, not G-sharp. G-sharp is not diatonic
in the key of D major. As far as I can tell, only
John's proposed (and unfinished) solution avoids
th
Am 22.12.2008 um 05:42 schrieb Graham Percival:
Chip, I am 90% convinced that the solution to your problem was
posted here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00586.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00585.html
With another person trying to f
Mark Polesky wrote:
Graham Percival wrote:
1. Look at the selected snippets for \transpose.
There's an example that's very close to what he
wants.
I disagree.
That example modifies the enharmonic spelling of
notes in an already transposed section. We're looking
for a function to tra
Am 21.12.2008 um 19:07 schrieb chip:
I input in Concert C, transpose to the key of D for Trumpet.
\transpose c d {}
The First Trumpet part transposes to the key of D just fine. I
would like to just copy/paste the first part into the second part.
What's the second part?
As me
> Graham Percival wrote:
> 1. Look at the selected snippets for \transpose.
> There's an example that's very close to what he
> wants.
I disagree.
That example modifies the enharmonic spelling of
notes in an already transposed section. We're looking
for a function to transpose each note ind
Chip, I am 90% convinced that the solution to your problem was
posted here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00586.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00585.html
With another person trying to figure out what you wanted here:
http://lists.gnu.org
Not everybody has a programmers mind. I don't. I have no interest
whatsoever in programming. A person should be able to use a piece of
software without having to be a programmer to do so. If a programming
degree is necessary to use Lily then it is either a) not complete enough
for the general p
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 06:30:18PM -0800, Mark Polesky wrote:
> Graham,
>
> > > Great, that helps a lot. I haven't got a clue
> > > what scheme is.
> > In that case, may I courteously extend an
> > invitation that you read the bloody Learning
> > Manual?
>
> Please stop the sarcasm and the ind
Thanks Mark,
I was going to reply basically the same way, but from my past experience
with this mailing list, it only incites more argumentative/sarcastic
replies.
I've been using PC's since the '80's, I've been using many, many mailing
lists. This list is by far the least friendly of any I h
Graham,
I don't think the tone you're using belongs
here:
> I really don't understand this question.
Then don't answer it.
> why on earth do you need to...
Please stop judging users who need things that
you don't understand.
> > I can't find this info in the manuals.
> ... LM 5.3 Scores and p
Le dimanche 21 décembre 2008 à 09:47 -0800, Graham Percival a écrit :
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:26:16PM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> > He wants it diatonic, so it's not that easy. \transpose c' g {a b c}
> > would produce {e fis g} instead of {e f g}.
>
> Oops, I forgot my first-year theo
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 02:20:32PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 07:41:35AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> > > melody = {a b c d e f g}
> > > { \melody \\ { \transpose c' g \melody }}
> >
> >
> > Hmm... I can see that this works. Having read the documentation so
> > s
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 07:41:35AM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> > melody = {a b c d e f g}
> > { \melody \\ { \transpose c' g \melody }}
>
>
> Hmm... I can see that this works. Having read the documentation so
> slavishly I assumed it would be needed. From the Known Issues in 1.1.2:
>
> "Th
2008/12/21 chip :
>> ... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
>> how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
>> to transpose from C to G ?!
>
> Becuase when I do that it changes the key signature. I want the key
> signature to remain the same. I input
chip wrote:
Graham Percival wrote:
Then stick a \transpose c' g' in there. Read the doc section
about transposition for help.
... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
to transpose from C to G ?!
- Graha
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:47:53AM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:26:16PM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:49:10PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> > > ... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
> > > how to transpose f
Am 21.12.2008 um 19:07 schrieb chip:
I input in Concert C, transpose to the key of D for Trumpet.
\transpose c d {}
The First Trumpet part transposes to the key of D just fine. I
would like to just copy/paste the first part into the second part.
What's the second part?
The second part I wan
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:11:20AM -0700, chip wrote:
> Graham Percival wrote:
>> Oops, I forgot my first-year theory. In this case, he'd need to
>> write a scheme function. Actually, it wouldn't be hard at all...
>> this is a perfect intro-level scheme tweak.
>>
> Great, that helps a lot. I h
Graham Percival wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:26:16PM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:49:10PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
Graham Percival wrote:
Then stick a \transpose c' g' in there. Read the doc section
about transposition for help.
... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
to transpose from C to G ?!
- Graham
Becuase
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:26:16PM +1100, Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:49:10PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> > ... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
> > how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
> > to transpose from C
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:49:10PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> Then stick a \transpose c' g' in there. Read the doc section
> about transposition for help.
>
> ... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
> how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask ho
Then stick a \transpose c' g' in there. Read the doc section
about transposition for help.
... I really don't understand this question. If you already know
how to transpose from C to Bb, why on earth do you need to ask how
to transpose from C to G ?!
- Graham
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:06:01PM
good question, I'm gonna say diatonic and see how that goes.
Cameron Horsburgh wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 06:16:18PM -0700, chip wrote:
I am inputing a piece in concert C, the use \transpose to output a part
for a Bb Trumpet. Now I want to add second part that will be a fourth
lower.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 06:16:18PM -0700, chip wrote:
> I am inputing a piece in concert C, the use \transpose to output a part
> for a Bb Trumpet. Now I want to add second part that will be a fourth
> lower. Can Lily do this or do I have to figure out all the notes a
> fourth lower and enter
I am inputing a piece in concert C, the use \transpose to output a part
for a Bb Trumpet. Now I want to add second part that will be a fourth
lower. Can Lily do this or do I have to figure out all the notes a
fourth lower and enter them manually? I'd rather just copy/paste the
first part into t
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