Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK' (Andy Farkas)

2014-11-24 Thread Antony Broughton Barry
> On 24 Nov 2014, at 12:01 pm, link-requ...@mailman.anu.edu.au wrote: > > Comment Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying > and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly > that renewables will never permit the human race to cut CO2 emis

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK' (Andy Farkas)

2014-11-24 Thread JanW
At 08:13 PM 24/11/2014, Antony Broughton Barry you wrote: >The big problem is how do highly energy intensive industries cope. I suspect >there will be a niche for small scale modular nuclear. Isn't this back to the redistribution so that areas that can use renewables do so as much as possible,

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Janet Hawtin
imagine if we were spending the money that asio nsa etc use watching people all the money killing people instead to collect and connect people doing interesting things with technologies, ecologies, soil preservation, water remediation connecting communities with sun or wind or distance or desert wi

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Andy Farkas
On 24/11/14 19:41, Janet Hawtin wrote: > imagine if we were spending the money that asio nsa etc use watching people > all the money killing people instead > to collect and connect people doing interesting things with technologies, > ecologies, soil preservation, water remediation > connecting comm

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Michael
Disappointing to see the thoughtless nuclear boosterism from the Reg, I suppose it goes along with the anti-AGW line they pull out now and again for unexplained contrarian reasons. To respond to jore and common sense, of course growth is finite, but remember that in addition to growth through expan

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread jore
On 24/11/2014 6:15 PM, Janet Hawtin wrote: > ... > > We need a plan B? How does that happen? I hope this offers some inspiring ideas: http://thoughtmaybe.com/earth-at-risk/ Earth at Risk By Derrick Jensen, Lierre Keith, Nikki Craft (2011) /Earth at Risk/ documents the first conf

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Janet Hawtin
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/29/budapest-viktor-orban-democracy-edge-hungary i am sure steve marsh can relate.. On 24 November 2014 at 20:51, jore wrote: > On 24/11/2014 6:15 PM, Janet Hawtin wrote: > >... > > We need a plan B? How does that happen? > > > I hope this offers so

[LINK] web: Renewable energy starts to win price race in the US

2014-11-24 Thread Jan Whitaker
Note the expansion in OIL/Gas states of Texas and Oklahoma. If they can do it, so can we. http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/renewable-energy-starts-to-win-price-race-in-the-us-20141125-11t4l0.html "Lost Anchors" - Now available on Amazon in both print and Kindle v

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Jim Birch
On 24 November 2014 at 21:07, Michael wrote: > To respond to jore and common sense, of course growth is finite, but > remember that in addition to growth through expansion, there is growth > through efficiencies (productivity). > It's not even obvious that that growth is finite. Economic growth

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Janet Hawtin
> The extreme version of this idea, that the modern industrial world has to > stop and we need to revert to some imaginary preindustrial pastoral > existence is even more whacky. If you really wanted to trash the planet, > kill a lot of people and upset everyone else that would be a good way to do

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread JanW
At 09:06 AM 25/11/2014, Jim Birch you wrote: >It's not even obvious that that growth is finite We're back to definitions: growth of what and how and over what time period? Economic growth through cuts (higher ratio of returns by reducing the investment) can be destructive in the long term, whi