Re: [LINK] RFC: Guidelines re Avoiding Looking Like a Scammer

2018-11-11 Thread Nick Bannon
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 05:23:13PM +1100, Roger Clarke wrote: > >Click the button below to continue.CMC Client Consent > >http://links.cmcmarkets.mkt7114.com/ctt?kn=10=MzcyNDQ2NTAS1=MTgxNjE1MjY1MjI0S0=2=MTQwMTE5MjMxMQS2=1=0 [...] > They replied, saying: > "I can ... confirm that this is an eDM

Re: [LINK] RFC: Guidelines re Avoiding Looking Like a Scammer

2018-11-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 12/11/2018 5:23 PM, Roger Clarke wrote: > > "I can ... confirm that this is an eDM that was sent out to certain > clients earlier today".  I have no idea what an eDM is. Electronic Direct Marketing. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Canberra Australia email: b...@iimetro.com.au web:

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Narelle Clark
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 1:15 PM David wrote: > > People have until next Thursday (or will it be Wednesday?) to opt out. > Well, it just took me 43mins on the phone to opt out after the website wouldn't work for me... And they have the *most* infuriating on hold noise I can come up with. Someone

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread David
On Monday, 12 November 2018 17:06:42 AEDT Jim Birch wrote: > Back to your original question on how long is medical history useful. > > Purpose 1: Short term if you get better, longer as a managed condition. > Purpose 2: Longer term, it allows treatment of the population to be optimised > for

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread David
On Monday, 12 November 2018 15:26:09 AEDT Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > I agree, but myhr isn't the way of the future. All it is is a very bad > document management system with no smarts and huge costs and risks. It's not even a document-management system as far as I can tell, it's more of a

[LINK] RFC: Guidelines re Avoiding Looking Like a Scammer

2018-11-11 Thread Roger Clarke
I use a broker called CMC. This morning I received an email that purported to come from them. It included: >Click the button below to continue.CMC Client Consent http://links.cmcmarkets.mkt7114.com/ctt?kn=10=MzcyNDQ2NTAS1=MTgxNjE1MjY1MjI0S0=2=MTQwMTE5MjMxMQS2=1=0 Here you will be required to

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Jim Birch
Hi Jan There are three basic reasons for having a shared health record 1. To help the patient by treating their conditions. Primary benefit goes to the patient. 2. To help the health system: to make the system more efficient, basically to treat more people and/or treat them better at the same

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 12/11/2018 2:45 PM, Andy Farkas wrote: > On 11/11/2018 11:48, David wrote: >> He revealed that medical information (other than a summary of any >> allergies?) isn't held in a structured database but is a collection >> of PDF documents!  Can you imagine a patient lying unconscious in ED >> while

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Mike
Over the past 2 years I've experienced professionals in the health system at their most impressive.  Two surgeons, three oncologists, two gastroenterologists, two GPs, one hematologist, four hospitals as inpatient, three different hospital EDs, many pathologists, and more.  I soon found that not

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 12/11/2018 2:01 PM, Jim Birch wrote: > Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > > On 12/11/2018 11:52 AM, Jim Birch wrote: > >   > > Are you aware that when you get a myhr it will be pretty empty and > history will not be uploaded? > > > Of course.  Are you aware that when you buy a house it

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Karl Auer
On Mon, 2018-11-12 at 13:40 +1100, Jim Birch wrote: > Much smarter would be to drop the perfect security fetish. No-one is demanding "perfect security". They are demanding *some* security. The current model appears to have been designed by a complete fool, OR by someone who wanted to actively

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Andy Farkas
On 11/11/2018 11:48, David wrote: He revealed that medical information (other than a summary of any allergies?) isn't held in a structured database but is a collection of PDF documents! Can you imagine a patient lying unconscious in ED while a doctor makes a cup of coffee and settles down to

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Jim Birch
Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > On 12/11/2018 11:52 AM, Jim Birch wrote: > > Are you aware that when you get a myhr it will be pretty empty and > history will not be uploaded? Of course. Are you aware that when you buy a house it is not full of furniture and homely memories? > PBS data

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 12/11/2018 1:17 PM, Jim Birch wrote: > The vast majority of patients are unable to reliably convey diagnoses, > whether they corpus mentus or not. They can usually converse about their > symptoms but patients with reliable memory of explicit diagnoses are > atypical. > > This may not apply

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Jim Birch
"The vast majority of patients are able to converse with their doctors, usually in a practice they've been going to for years, and MHRecord is then just more paperwork" The vast majority of patients are unable to reliably convey diagnoses, whether they corpus mentus or not. They can usually

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread JLWhitaker
On 12/11/2018 12:26 PM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: BTW, only about 20-25% of existing registered users have a shared health summary - which may or may nor be accurate or complete. When 17million more are added that will drop immediately to about 9% Most of the data in a myhr will be old and

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 12/11/2018 11:52 AM, Jim Birch wrote: > What beats me about this current moral panic is the uninformed flippant > denial of the big positives of the shared health record. Are you aware that when you get a myhr it will be pretty empty and history will not be uploaded? (I'm quoting their little

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread Jim Birch
"The emergency room scenario is freighted with emotion, unstated expectations, time criticality, life-and-death decisions at their most extreme. It might be politically exciting to announce, but in practice a new system will only add to the load on THE most adrenalin-pumped, overworked, pressured

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread David
On Sunday, 11 November 2018 22:24:30 AEDT Karl Auer wrote: > The emergency room scenario is freighted with emotion, unstated expectations, > time criticality, life-and-death decisions at their most extreme. [...] It's also the place where it's critical to know the allergies, drug regimes, and

[LINK] WA and now Tas Remote Train Control Failures

2018-11-11 Thread Roger Clarke
[There was a train disaster in Western Australia the other day: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-06/investigators-visit-runaway-bhp-iron-ore-train-derailment-site/10469802 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-05/runaway-bhp-train-deliberately-derailed-near-port-hedland/10467616 [In the WA

Re: [LINK] The "health" record security model

2018-11-11 Thread David
On Sunday, 11 November 2018 18:12:05 AEDT Karl Auer wrote: > But mostly I want a statement of aims first. That's absolutely critical. Too many IT projects are launched on the basis of a vague wish-list, unstated objectives, ideology, no prior stakeholder approval (perhaps so not to rock the