No DIAG discipline in the 64-bit world?

2003-07-13 Thread Lucius, Leland
What are the issues with it? DIAG 210/250 only support 24/31-bit addrs? Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but wouldn't it be a simple matter to allow the use, but only if there's less than 2GB of storage? And maybe use SAM31/64 to switch in and out of 64-bit mode? Oh yea, there might be a slight

Probly a stoopid ?, but what's better...31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread Alex J Burke
Hi, Firstly sorry for my LISTSERV message, it was sent in error - i was quite tired when sending it out, I do apologize. About the 31bit v 64bit: Remember what 64bit computing is - its processing 64bits in one cycle as opposed to (in this case, seeing as its mainframe architecture) 31bits.

Re: Probly a stoopid ?, but what's better...31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread John Summerfield
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Post, Mark K wrote: I would have to think that unless a particular guest needs 64-bit, that it would be better overall to run with 31-bits. I would have to think that there would be at least a slight performance hit to run a 64-bit system, even if it was small. Is that

Re: No DIAG discipline in the 64-bit world?

2003-07-13 Thread Jan Jaeger
Question I have is what are the VM development plans for full 64 bit support? If that is going to be fixed soon then the diag suport would be even easier to implement. Jan Jaeger. From: Lucius, Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

xedit

2003-07-13 Thread John Summerfield
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Re: xedit

2003-07-13 Thread Rod Furey
This was discussed on one of the other lists that I follow (the THE list probably - I've archived the discussion now) quite a while back and was condemned for any number of reasons but most notably for there not being a command line and that this was being touted as an advantage - see the FAQ. Rod

Re: Probly a stoopid ?, but what's better...31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Sunday 13 July 2003 11:33, John Summerfield wrote: Is that all there is? Are there beneficial new instructions available in 64-bit mode? Are there improved optimisations? Reportedly the Opteron (64-bit) is much quicker than the Xeons (32-bit). I know it ain't necessarily so that this has

Re: Probly a stoopid ?, but what's better...31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread Ulrich Weigand
Leland Lucius wrote: So, why not run 31-bit Linux guests? Does it matter one way or the other? Are there performance differences? Not a stupid question, but a quite interesting one ... There are many factors involved in the decision between 31-bit and 64-bit, and some favor the one and others

Re: Probly a stoopid ?, but what's better...31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread John Summerfield
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Ulrich Weigand wrote: Leland Lucius wrote: So, why not run 31-bit Linux guests? Does it matter one way or the other? Are there performance differences? Not a stupid question, but a quite interesting one ... There are many factors involved in the decision between

Re: Probly a stoopid, but what's better. . . 31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread john gilmore
There is much good advice in Ulrich Weigand's post, but I have three comments: First, long long C arithmetic data types occupy eight bytes of storage in both an AMODE(31) and an AMODE(64) environment. The difference is that (slow) multiple-precision subroutines are used to support them in an

Re: No DIAG discipline in the 64-bit world?

2003-07-13 Thread Lucius, Leland
Question I have is what are the VM development plans for full 64 bit support? If that is going to be fixed soon then the diag suport would be even easier to implement. Jan Jaeger. That would be nice, but I needed a break from the normal drudgery and thought I'd hack about a bit. The

Re: Probly a stoopid, but what's better. . . 31-bit or 64-bit?

2003-07-13 Thread Lucius, Leland
Wow! Got some REALLY great stuff there. Even though it boils down to the old It depends, I may just give it a try for the fun of it. (If I can convince my SLES8 CDs to cough up 31-bit binaries. ;-)) Thanks all for the great info! Leland