Hello from Gregg C Levine
Agreed. But I wasn't thinking of the System/7 unit, I was thinking of
your Honeywell work. That's what they are interested. The creator of
SIMH, is actively looking for information on the Honeywell systems, or
were, the last time I checked that portion of the site. And yes
> David, did you catch the reference I made to the SIMH emulator?!?!?
> They are working with stuff like that. I think he's interested in that
> family of machines.
SIMH emulates a PDP-7 (among other things). The IBM System/7 is a different
animal.
(and yes, SIMH will load my paper tape of Spacew
Hello from Gregg C Levine
David, did you catch the reference I made to the SIMH emulator?!?!?
They are working with stuff like that. I think he's interested in that
family of machines.
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Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)
I'm pretty sure the Boston Computer Museum has one. Unknown if it's
functional, but I think they at least have the shell.
Scarily enough, I had a conversation with someone today who actually has
virgin Multics boot tapes for the
> System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
> a Linux port for it?
>
> > I would guess that
>
No, but there was a internal MS version of Xenix that ran on the Series/1.
Almost as antique and weird as the System/7...8-)
-- db
Alex:
We are still working on getting the SDK up on the web site. I have not
forgotten about you!
Regards, Jim
Hello from Gregg C Levine
For which architecture? I'll bet donuts, that you've not looked at the
SIMH emulator. It emulates the architecture that UNIX was created on
perfectly. Perfectly strangely that is.
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Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
I'll say. It's royal pain in the backside to build, and it boots
funny. But it works, reluctantly. And Alan? I thought it was
constructed because someone insisted that it can't be done.
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Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Last night a mate and I were pondering these:
> http://www.arcom.com/products/icp/systems/HR_icepc.htm
>
> We figure you screw them onto the (side of the) desk.
>
>
I like these:
http://www.diamondsystems.com/products/pandora
I've wanted to build something inside a can-tainer for a while now:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Friday 01 August 2003 21:44, you wrote:
> > Does anyone remember the old princeton tube (early
> > 1950 vintage) that was on the Johnniac and other old
> > tube machines? it was about 12 inches high, six inches
> > in diameter, and held ... (wait for i
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Jim Sibley wrote:
> Does anyone remember the old princeton tube (early
> 1950 vintage) that was on the Johnniac and other old
> tube machines? it was about 12 inches high, six inches
> in diameter, and held ... (wait for it ) 64 bits
> for RAM.
>
> How big would a computer
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:46:19AM -0700, Tom Butler wrote:
> We're in the process of setting up our file transfers with PGP
> encryption. Is there a way we can share files between MVS and our Linux
> Lpar, where we can install the GnuPGP, the same way we can between MVS and
> USS, with the
On Friday 01 August 2003 21:44, you wrote:
> Does anyone remember the old princeton tube (early
> 1950 vintage) that was on the Johnniac and other old
> tube machines? it was about 12 inches high, six inches
> in diameter, and held ... (wait for it ) 64 bits
> for RAM.
>
> How big would a comp
>
> Ah well, regrets over... we now return you to your regularly scheduled
> "You had 1s?
> We were doing this with only 0s!" BYTE8406(1) reminiscences.
>
Got tears on this closure HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FORTRAN... depending on how old you are, meaning which version you used...
mine was a number of versions of ForTran IV...
comments began with a C in column 1
continued lines had a character in column 6
(aside: it is widely believed that you needed 1,2,3 etc. for the
appropriately
numbered line but
> I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux. I don't think GCC
> works on 16-bit systems.
Someone said that once. And due to an unfortunate incident involving
alcohol, engineers and the phrase "it can't be" .. it was. Linux8086
doesn't use gcc and can be found at elks.sourceforge.net
Does anyone remember the old princeton tube (early
1950 vintage) that was on the Johnniac and other old
tube machines? it was about 12 inches high, six inches
in diameter, and held ... (wait for it ) 64 bits
for RAM.
How big would a computer have to physically be today
to hold Linux in memory
> >HAHAHAHA. There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.
>
> You meant 8 BITS, didn't you? Sure, there was a lot of
> stuff we had to stuff into 8 bits! Additional bytes
> were a luxury... ;-)
>
Yorkshireman II: Well, when I said "bytes", it was what our boss did when
we couldn't fit a whole member
>HAHAHAHA. There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.
You meant 8 BITS, didn't you? Sure, there was a lot of
stuff we had to stuff into 8 bits! Additional bytes
were a luxury... ;-)
=
Jim Sibley
Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley
"Computer are useless.They can on
I'm sure you found 'em in your searches, but if not here's another link (if
you have a budget):
http://www.megacryption.cc/product.htm
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: os390 Li
I forwarded around the link to a few folks here and more than on
reenactments ensued. Sometimes is almost as funny to watch the locals make
fools of themselve trying to play out the skit using the bogus accents! ;-)
I've just had WAY too much fun today!
Thanks all for playing along.
Leland
>
Jim, where could i download it free?
thanks
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
> > im looking for the Informix ESQL/C, its part of the Informix Client
> > SDK but i cant find it for linux390, i found it for intel linux, aix,
> > sco, etc, but not for linux zseries.
>
> Alex:
>
> I think wha
We got pulled into having to use PGP because of laws governing
British Airways transmission of data (I think it was a British/UK/EU law or
something to that effect). Because we need them more then they need us we're
pretty much at a disadvantage... If we had to use PGP encryption for all
o
Leland,
I had the good fortune to live in England from 1969-1973. When I returned to the US
and watched the repeats, people could not understand how I could start laughing
uncontrollably BEFORE the skits really got going. To this day, 30 years later, I still
have a lot of their routines locked
>Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol table =
>design. And since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an =
>80 column card, real estate was precious.
For FORTRAN, wasn't the first column reserved to designate a Comment
card? (I'm sure that the "C" had
Yep, the cube neighbors are hating it. I'm reading the stuff out loud.
Make's it even better.
About half way down the page is a fair description of this list sometimes.
;-O
"Some of the threads on Old TB2K were strongly reminiscent of Python's
"Argument Sketch":
The Argument Clinic..."
Leland
Thanks Neale! I need a good hearty laugh!
Bob
-Original Message-
From: Ferguson, Neale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: An update to the little script I post the other d ay...
Hmm this is starting to sound
And it was UPHILL in both directions and 3 feet of snow all year round.
/Thomas Kern
/301-903-2211
> -Original Message-
> From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 13:40
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the o
Hmm this is starting to sound like that old Python skit:
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003KZC
>
> Don't forget uphill both ways... and in the snow...
>
This is starting to sound like our Linux project here. ;-)
Leland
Don't forget uphill both ways... and in the snow...
On Friday 01 August 2003 12:39 pm, you wrote:
> > "You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it.
> > Why, when I was young, all we had was wood-burning computers!
> > We had to go out in the snow every morning and chop kindling
> >
Now THAT was funny! Sorry Gordon, I'm laughing too hard to jump on
Leland.
On Friday 01 August 2003 13:39, you wrote:
> Air traffic control?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re
Air traffic control?
-Original Message-
From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)
- Orig
>
> "You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it.
> Why, when I was young, all we had was wood-burning computers!
> We had to go out in the snow every morning and chop kindling
> so we could boot up!"
>
Some tell me they even had to walk 20 miles to get the wood. Man that
must've su
I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)
- Original Message -
From: "Fargusson.Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
I doubt that it would be po
One of our MVS people recently installed a port of OpenSSH into the USS
portion of our OS/390 v2.10 system. Using an ssh key pair that was
generated under my Linux/390 system, we have been able to use SCP to pull
data from Linux into USS and then use the MV command to move it into a real
MVS datas
I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux. I don't think GCC works on 16-bit
systems.
-Original Message-
From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
> --
> >Heck, I've never even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.
>
> Okay, ladies and gents.
>
> I'll hold him down and you can all jump on him...
>
:-D (hehehehehe)
>Heck, I've never even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.
Okay, ladies and gents.
I'll hold him down and you can all jump on him...
"You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it. Why, when I was young,
all we had was wood-burning computers! We had to go out in the s
>
>
> This is the one we installed in USS. Got everything working
> perfectly and the found out it wouldn't decrypt the data from
> the other end
> (GnuPGP) because of the differences in versions...
>
Bummer, sorry about that.
Leland
This is the one we installed in USS. Got everything working
perfectly and the found out it wouldn't decrypt the data from the other end
(GnuPGP) because of the differences in versions...
-Original Message-
From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fargusson.Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
>
> Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3
> that had a
This is the good kinda stuff. I like "history" lessons. Heck, I've never
even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.
Really interesting.
Leland
See if this'll help out...
http://s390.nichols.de/pgp/
Leland
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: os390 Linux GnuPGP
>
>
> We're in the process of setting up our file transfe
We're in the process of setting up our file transfers with PGP
encryption. Is there a way we can share files between MVS and our Linux
Lpar, where we can install the GnuPGP, the same way we can between MVS and
USS, with the os390 PGP 2.6.3? Unfortunately the os390 PGP 2.6.3 is not
compatibl
Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol table design. And
since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an 80 column card, real
estate was precious.
-Original Message-
From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:57
Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3 that had a
similar limit. This was due to the fact that the mnemonics were in a fixed position
on the card, I think in position 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of
symbols. I would bet that there was something s
I vaguely recall where the length entry in early assembler symbol tables was only 3
bits, hence the 8 character limit on names.
I'm not sure where the 3 bit limit came from, possibly older boxes like the 1401. Or
because the first byte in the symbol table entry was the length and you didn't use
There was a 14 character limit on file names in the early versions of Unix. Actually
this is filesystem dependent, so the limit exist today if you format a filesystem as
SVFS (or something like that), which is actually almost exactly like the V7
filesystem. There was also a limit on how much o
See: "http://linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2003080100326NWSVSW";
"Two years ago, when IBM Corp caught the Linux bug real bad, it promised
to get the open source Linux operating system running on all of its
platforms, to get its core middleware and databases running on it, and use
Linux as a
>
> Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make
> good use of it, thank you.
>
Glad to hear it. It's always good to know something you did was useful to
someone.
> It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or
> Ritchie who said it first) that this is a spartan operating
>
Thanks to Guillaume and Matt for responding to my questions. I am sure I
will have more to follow.
-
Guillaume wrote:
I don't know SLES7. FWIW, just some precisions about
netfilter/ipchains/iptables.
> Netfilter and iptables a
Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make good use of it, thank you.
It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or Ritchie who said it first) that
this is a spartan operating system, that commands, directory, variable names are
supposed to be short and concise (thus the
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On Friday 01 August 2003 13:53, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
> Can i use this kernel with old s390-tools (0.5-57)?
It is supposed to work, but there were some versions of
s390tools in the past that were so broken that they
failed to work with the newer da
Can i use this kernel with old s390-tools (0.5-57)?
WBR, Sergey
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On Friday 01 August 2003 12:46, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
> I'm trying to compile 2.4.21 (with IBM patches) on SLES7-beta (64bit). At
> the end, i got this error:
> ld: cannot represent machine `s390:64-bit'
> make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
> Does this m
I'm trying to compile 2.4.21 (with IBM patches) on SLES7-beta (64bit). At
the end, i got this error:
ld -m elf64_s390 -T /usr/src/linux-2.4.21/arch/s390x/vmlinux.lds -e start
arch/s390x/kernel/head.o arch/s390x/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o
init/version.o init/do_mounts.o \
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