Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
Run oprofile and see where this mod is spending its time. strace is also an option to see what API it's using (select with a timeout probably). BTW (not related to your problem) I have submitted a set of fixes to the mono folks that will make a huge set of methods available that currently

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-17 Thread David Boyes
Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. In fairness to them, they are closing down support for their own binary distribution of OpenSolaris (eponymously and confusingly named). They still refuse to make any official public statement on the future of the OpenSolaris

Re: vale openSolaris

2010-08-17 Thread David Boyes
I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Also (like Greek), the emphasis is on the penultimate syllable, moving to ultimate syllable if the statement is an imperative (if I remember correctly).

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Barton Robinson
Yes, this is a problem. We call it virtual hostile. Rob van der Heij has been doing a tremendous amount of research in this area for the last 4 years, we've been trying to educate our customers (and IBM) on what this means. Back in 2001, there was the Linux timer, had the same problem. Got

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread David Kreuter
The non-hostile list is quite short unfortunately. For the most part Oracle is not hostile and queue drops nicely. Getting vendors including IBM to: 1. acknowledge the problem is hard. 2. once acknowledged repairing (woops, I mean adding a feature) doesn't happen quickly or for that matter

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
I have the source to mod_mono and the right to commit to the Mono source tree. If we can identify what is waking up then I can make the change(s) to make it friendlier. On 8/17/10 11:47 AM, David Kreuter dkreu...@vm-resources.com wrote: The non-hostile list is quite short unfortunately. For

zLinux and CUPS (PrinterServer) and PCL commands

2010-08-17 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
Hello. Anyone with experience in configure CUPS to work with PCL Commands, please contact me off list. Thanks -- Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil -- For LINUX-390 subscribe /

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
mod_mono itself is just a stub that kicks off the xsp_server app so I assume you're seeing the process called mono doing the damage. In which case oprofile is not going to help. strace may produce useful information that we may be able to track back to a specific method. On 8/17/10 8:56 AM,

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
I¹m looking at my system which has mod_mono in the apache config file and it¹s barely registering on top for CPU though it's quite memory hungry: 1476 wwwrun15 0 59756 28m 6652 S 0.0 5.7 24:58.73 mono 1477 wwwrun15 0 10264 2980 1404 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.00 httpd2-prefork 1478

Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-17 Thread Barton Robinson
Yep, this is exactly the problem. These processes do not use much cpu, but they blip every 10ms or so. You need to check the queue from the z/VM side to see if they are in Q3. If in Q3, then they are blipping (think i need to trademark that word). The reason these blips are so virtual

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Patrick Spinler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Kreuter wrote: The non-hostile list is quite short unfortunately. For the most part Oracle is not hostile and queue drops nicely. Getting vendors including IBM to: 1. acknowledge the problem is hard. 2. once acknowledged repairing (woops,

Re: mono keep guest active - ban the blips.

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
I was referring to his observation that he was seeing 55-65% CPU. As for blipping, that's why I suggested he use strace to see what API is being used if there is blipping taking place. Unlike java we can't use oprofile to easily identify the method responsible (if it is blipping). I'll try it

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread David Kreuter
Pat - sure, any intelligent code paths will help. Certainly in a virtualized environment including but not limited to system z resources are being shared intensely. The q4 problem (maybe I should trademark it!) -- errant q3 -- is insidious and damaging. These aren't grandpa's CMS machines

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
Fortunately it's no longer a Linux on z only problem anymore. With more systems being run under VMware, KVM, virtualbox etc. the number of people who are being affected is getting larger and, hopefully, that translates into vendors whose applications misbehave being lobbied to get their act

Re: mono keep guest active

2010-08-17 Thread David Boyes
It seems to me that this issue has certain parallels to the current and long running debate about linux kernel power management hacks targeting embedded devices (e.g. android wake locks) Yes and no. The analogy to embedded systems is dead on (especially wrt to efficient use of resources), but

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