Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Harder, Pieter
Quite right. You have to consider the whole stack, from storage/networking to the hipervisor, guest OS, database and the applications. If you only consider that a Xeon is cheaper than an IFL it is anybody's guess what the final functional outcome for the customer will be.

Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Sergey Korzhevsky
Just to add 5 cents. Besides hardware, you also changed database which may have HUGE impact on performance. 03-02-2016 01:28:09 "Harder, Pieter" wrote: >In fact the disk system didn't change with our migration. The VMWare farm was >run against the same IBM DS8000 the z used. Most of the DS8000

Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Kurt Acker
Don't forget to add the required resources with management and maintenance for DR, dev/test/Q (after all, who runs production only workloads?). - And then add z Systems push pull process into the refresh mix... Something that is often overlooked by competitive comparisons. Kurt Acker Cell:

Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Phil Tully
I apologize for bad typing There is no good TCO tool for this, the IBM tools come close. It's not just about the io, the chip speed, the ability to push pull,to offload io onto other chips. It's about all things. No x86 platform has the scads of shared cache at multiple levels of the

Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Stewart, Lee
And power, cooling, floorspace, etc. Lee Stewart ● VM System Support ● Visa ● Phone: 6(750)4601 - +1-303-389-4601 ● lstew...@visa.com > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > Harder, Pieter > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 3:39

Re: TCO comparison Intel vs EC12 IFLs

2016-02-03 Thread Will, Chris
I believe that the x86 platform we would be moving to would be a Linux implementation running under vmware using IIB/MQ, WAS, and DB2. I not sure if the memory requirements for a database server would apply when running under Linux. We have a rather larger database accessed by a zLinux DB2