On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:49:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:00:02PM -0500, David Boyes wrote:
> > Yes, but the point is that it is not installed by default. The only visual
> > editor installed by default is vi, or some clone of it, so you have to
> > know at least
I admit I haven't read every one of the replies to this long sequence,
but I was wondering if anyone mentioned Midnight Commander? I like it
fairly well.
Also, if you run XWindows, like CYGWIN, you can get SPF/PC for Linux.
--- Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10
> Indeed, and the available software is much larger still than
> what is listed
> on that page. Debian contains nearly 100 editors, many of
> them workalikes
> of classic editors and one another.
>
Yea, it's a shame that Debian is the only distro that sees fit to include
the "le" editor, my favori
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:00:02PM -0500, David Boyes wrote:
> Yes, but the point is that it is not installed by default. The only visual
> editor installed by default is vi, or some clone of it, so you have to
> know at least a little vi to get along in situations where everything else
> isn't th
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 09:57:30AM -0600, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
> Wow, I sure got lots of replies to this. There seems to be a lot of
> controversy over what the best editor is for Linux. On the IBM Linux
> Tools for Developers page that someone posted, I counted approximately 53
> different Lin
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote:
> EMACS has a lot of wired-in assumptions about how editors are supposed to
> work that make implementing a true WordStar compatibility mode impossible
> [...]
> I'd be astounded if someone were to make an EMACS mode that acted like
> IS
.
Just remember, no one editor is the cat's meow.
Thanks,
Steve Guthrie
Mantissa Corporation
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Sure - what address would you like a copy at?
I'll send it along and if you have questions, I'd be willing to answer
them here or on
some real-time chat channel. I need
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> For me, THE too is a native editor for LINUX, since it comes with most
> distributions, AFAIK.
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> You wouldn't be willing to share your teaching materials would you
> ---
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 07:34:46AM -0600, Nix, Robert P. wrote:
> Use what you like, but learn at least vi as well, so that you aren't stuck
> without your favorite somewhere.
Exactly. I know enough of vi to get around, clumsily, for exactly this
reason. Besides, the better you know vi, the better
For me, THE too is a native editor for LINUX, since it comes with most
distributions, AFAIK.
See the following site for a typology of editors. The author of this site uses
religious terms for classes of editors (for example "Eastern Orthodox Editors")
and claims that the proper choice of an editor
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> Wow, I sure got lots of replies to this. There seems to be a
> lot o
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Wow, I sure got lots of replies to this. There seems to be a lot of controversy over
what the best editor is for Linux. On the IBM Linux Tools for Developers page that
someone posted, I counted approximately 53 different Linux editors.
I guess as several have pointed out, I will have to lear
you memorize about 12 often used
commands, and another
10 that are used often but don't need to be memorized.
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I would strongly suggest trying mc (midnight commander) and its editor
mcedit. I found mcedit extremely intuitive
(coming from a extended ISPF background) and I found mc to be a superb shell
environment. mc is one of the first things I look for after putting up a
Linux distribution and, if it ain
If he is, I can put it up on linuxvm.org.
Mark
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You wouldn't be willing to share your teaching materials
"Codito, Ergo Sum"
"In theory, theory and practice are the same,
but in practice, theory and practice are different."
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> From: Matt Zimmerman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Getting this back onto topic & lifting the page on this that I wrote for
the UK VM Users Group last year, I found uni-SPF and SPF/UX, of which
SPF/UX said they had a linux for S/390 version.
I don't know whether these are any good since I agree with Melinda's
assesment of ISPF. THE has recently re
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:08:39AM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for
> > the non technical end of things. Also the 'wordstar is king' community who
> > tend to run joe (or hardcore wstar folk as 'jstar').
>
> Naw. *Really* hardcore
0 that are used often but don't need to be memorized.
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Alan and others,
Thanks for the i
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 10:17:21PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> I'm surprised not to find an Emacs mode for emulating this environment,
> since the feature sets seem to have a lot of overlap.
EMACS has a lot of wired-in assumptions about how editors are supposed to
work that make implementing a
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:32:25AM -0600, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux, preferably a free
> one I can download? If so, what web site do I go to.
A quick search turns up at least a couple of things worth investigating.
http://www.wrkgrp.com/unisp
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:08:39AM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for
> the non technical end of things. Also the 'wordstar is king' community who
> tend to run joe (or hardcore wstar folk as 'jstar').
Naw. *Really* hardcore W* folks do
Oh, and in a pinch ed or sed can be your friend.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 08:01 pm, you wrote:
> > > I want to avoid the Vi editor at all costs. The hour I
> >
> > worked on it at
> >
> > > an IBM class for AIX long ago convinced me I want to stay
> >
> > away from Vi.
> > [...]
> > My point i
> > I want to avoid the Vi editor at all costs. The hour I
> worked on it at
> > an IBM class for AIX long ago convinced me I want to stay
> away from Vi.
> [...]
> My point is that it might seem like the most efficient thing
> to bring your
> 'favourite editor' to your new platform. However, con
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 01:19, John Summerfield wrote:
> Linux users seem divided into two camps.
> One like vi (I use vim which comes with RHL)
> The other likes emacs.
There are at least two other camps
A growing 'I clicked on edit file' community, which I think is good for the non
technical
end
k your CDs.
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> -- db
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> David Boyes
> Sine Nomine Associates
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
> I used to use XEDIT, so I can probably get by with the hessling-editor
> also, which is free.
I 'grew up' with ISPF, so the thing I find most difficult about XEDIT is
when I try and do ISPF commands with it. ;-(
Perhaps one day I'll do real work in XE
> Alan and others,
>
> Thanks for the info. The one from UnEclipse Software can be bought on specia
> l right now for $89. I used to use XEDIT, so I can probably get by with the
> hessling-editor also, which is free. I do very little progamming or REXX, so
> I don't think I would want to try to
Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux, preferably a free one I can
download? If so, what web site do I go to.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. MVS Systems Programmer
P&H Mining Equipment
Milwaukee, WI
414-671-7849
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, David Boyes wrote:
> Without expressing preference, take a look at emacs, vi, and pico.
Not pico.
It lacks some very trivial features (undo, goto-line, etc.). Avoid it.
It is worth taking the time to learn vi and/or emacs (holy wars aside.
Enough was written about those two
;
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Others have mentioned THE, but I'd add that you should start learning
the native editors ASAP.
ce it depends on it being
> installed.
>
> Mark Pot
>
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> Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux,
> preferably a free one I can download? If so, what web si
o interfaces with REXX. Its just way cool ...
Al.
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I'm not aware of any free packages. There are two commercial ones listed
Eric,
You'll need to install Regina/Rexx to use THE, since it depends on it being
installed.
Mark Pot
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I'm not aware of any free packages. There are two commercial ones listed at
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/solutions/s390da/linuxproduct.h
tml:
SP
From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:32 PM
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Does anyone know if there is an ISPF product for Linux, preferably a free
one I can download? If so, what web site do I go to.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. MVS Sy
"The Workstation Group, Ltd." (http://www.wrkgrp.com) sells UNIX
implementations of REXX, XEDIT, and ISPF. I haven't used their
ISPF-like product, but am a satisfied past customer of uni-REXX and
uni-XEDIT. I don't know if they provide an S/390 Linux port of these
products.
-dan.
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