Re: OT: Bill Gates Quote, was Max # 3390s

2010-01-28 Thread Tom Anderson
On Wed Jan 27 9:10 , Mark Post mp...@novell.com sent: On 1/27/2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom Anderson tp...@speakeasy.net wrote: Wow. That's way too many :) Course 64K should be enough for anybody. Remember saying that exact phrase about memory? ;) Off by an order of magnitude. 640K, not 64K.

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-27 Thread Tom Anderson
on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 16:06 To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Max # 3390s Wow. That's way too many :) Course 64K should be enough for anybody. Remember saying that exact phrase about memory

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-27 Thread Marcy Cortes
Remember saying that exact phrase about memory? ;) Yeah, that's why I said it, but I forgot the winky smiley thing. ;) ;) Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use,

Re: OT: Bill Gates Quote, was Max # 3390s

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Post
On 1/27/2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom Anderson tp...@speakeasy.net wrote: Wow. That's way too many :) Course 64K should be enough for anybody. Remember saying that exact phrase about memory? ;) Off by an order of magnitude. 640K, not 64K. Mark Post

Re: OT: Bill Gates Quote, was Max # 3390s

2010-01-27 Thread John Campbell
You are the CP//M-80 of evil: Only 64K... not evil enough! (OK, so that's a modification of You are the MS-DOS of evil: only 640K... not evil enough!) At least Windows' size qualifies it as evil enough. - soup Mark Post wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: Wow.  That's way too many :) Course 64K

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: Does Linux even support that many DASD devices?   Does LVM? Now that I think about it some more, I'm pretty sure LVM has a limit of 256 PVs in a single VG. Not sure why LVM shows up in the picture. Would you not let Oracle

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Richard Troth
Rob -- Some might let Oracle have one large raw LV instead of putting a filesystem on it (instead of giving Oracle plain files). So LVM would still be in scope even though filesystems not. LVM is the way to go for managing storage spaces. You can grow an LV much more easily than a PV. (For some

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Richard Troth vmcow...@gmail.com wrote: Rob -- Some might let Oracle have one large raw LV instead of putting a filesystem on it (instead of giving Oracle plain files). So LVM would still be in scope even though filesystems not. I think you got the

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Mauro Souza
I was thinking of raw devices yesterday... You could just give all those dasds to Oracle ASM in raw mode. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Rob van der Heij

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Mauro Souza thoriu...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking of raw devices yesterday... You could just give all those dasds to Oracle ASM in raw mode. Right. But I have no idea about Linux limitations or Oracle issues with many subchannels.

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Hodge, Robert L
] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:54 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Max # 3390s Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has suggested to them that as we move their Oracle d/b from brand x to Linux on z, that we also move the actual d/b from their old SAN

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
: Monday, January 25, 2010 16:06 To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Max # 3390s Wow. That's way too many :) Course 64K should be enough for anybody. I hope we have bigger disk sizes before we need 250,000. I'd think you'd have a 64K limit under z/VM. That's still too many :) Marcy

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Richard Troth
I think you got the terminology shifted. In linux speak you can put your DB on - a file - a block device - a set of raw devices To confuse us more, some people refer to the 2nd option as raw partitions LVM operates in that 2nd layer. It is likely that you and I are in violent agreement.

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Richard Troth vmcow...@gmail.com wrote: I have been doing Unix since before Linux existed.  In traditional Unix speak, block mode and raw mode are handled by the same major/minor numbers but making it a block mode special or character mode special.  This is

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-26 Thread Rodger Donaldson
On Wed, January 27, 2010 09:38, Richard Troth wrote: I have been doing Unix since before Linux existed. In traditional Unix speak, block mode and raw mode are handled by the same major/minor numbers but making it a block mode special or character mode special. This is inode magic. Linux

Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Lee Stewart
Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has suggested to them that as we move their Oracle d/b from brand x to Linux on z, that we also move the actual d/b from their old SAN box(es) to mainframe disk (3390 images). The catch is that the d/b is about 8TB, and to my rough math that

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Mark Post
On 1/25/2010 at 05:53 PM, Lee Stewart lstewart.dsgr...@attglobal.net wrote: The catch is that the d/b is about 8TB, and to my rough math that seems like 1100-1200 3390 mod 9s. Does Linux even support that many DASD devices? Does LVM? I can't say for sure, but I can pretty much

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Rodger Donaldson
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 03:53:41PM -0700, Lee Stewart wrote: Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has suggested to them that as we move their Oracle d/b from brand x to Linux on z, that we also move the actual d/b from their old SAN box(es) to mainframe disk (3390 images).

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Patrick Spinler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 or about 150 mod 54s, if I calculate right. That's still a very large number, but much more manageable. That being said, it's possible that a direct SAN connection would be faster - at least test it and see for your application. Regarding the max

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Rich Smrcina
The device drivers manual tells all, but I think the number is somewhere north of 250,000 dasd devices. On 01/25/2010 04:53 PM, Lee Stewart wrote: Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has suggested to them that as we move their Oracle d/b from brand x to Linux on z, that we also

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Mark Post
On 1/25/2010 at 05:53 PM, Lee Stewart lstewart.dsgr...@attglobal.net wrote: The catch is that the d/b is about 8TB, and to my rough math that seems like 1100-1200 3390 mod 9s. Does Linux even support that many DASD devices? Does LVM? Now that I think about it some more, I'm pretty sure

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Marcy Cortes
Subject: [LINUX-390] Max # 3390s Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has suggested to them that as we move their Oracle d/b from brand x to Linux on z, that we also move the actual d/b from their old SAN box(es) to mainframe disk (3390 images). The catch is that the d/b is about 8TB

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Marcy Cortes
for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:15 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Max # 3390s The device drivers manual tells all, but I think the number

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Lee Stewart
. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:54 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: [LINUX-390] Max # 3390s Hi all... We're working with a customer that someone has

Re: Max # 3390s

2010-01-25 Thread Mauro Souza
immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:54 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: [LINUX-390] Max # 3390s Hi