Re: [LAD] pointer to python/numpy audio code

2010-06-21 Thread Guillaume Pellerin
Hi Fons, I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but here is the (young) TimeSide module we're developping right now. It all about audio transcoding, analyzing, graphing through pipes with python : http://code.google.com/p/timeside/ The first (beta) package has been released last

[LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Victor Lazzarini
A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? This may appear a stupid question, but given the fact that non-free code can't link to GPL binaries, what is the story with dynamic modules? Thanks Victor ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Julien Claassen
Hello Victor1 I'm no guru, when it comes to licenses. But I don't really see a problem. As long as the non-free host can somehow manage to legally include the SDK to load the modules, then it's no problem. It's on the user's side of things, to load a plugin or not load it. I'd think the

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Cannam
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? First off -- you can _do_ anything you like with a GPL plugin, the question is whether you could legally redistribute it. Beyond that, I don't

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? This may appear a stupid question, but given the fact that non-free code can't link to GPL binaries, what is the story with dynamic modules? RMS

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Julien 'Lta' BALLET
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? First off -- you can _do_ anything you like with a GPL plugin,

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Gabriel M. Beddingfield
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Victor Lazzarini wrote: A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? This may appear a stupid question, but given the fact that non-free code can't link to GPL binaries, what is the story with dynamic modules? This was discussed last year on this

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Julien 'Lta' BALLET elthar...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works note that none of the discussions cited really covers the case that matters for plugins. the key distinction is that plugin APIs

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 06:40 -0500, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Victor Lazzarini wrote: A simple question: can GPL plugins be loaded into non-free hosts? This may appear a stupid question, but given the fact that non-free code can't link to GPL binaries, what is

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Nils Hammerfest
Hello, in Denemo, which is GPL, (http://www.denemo.org) we had a similar problem. Our plugins are scripted scheme code and scheme is just a language. So what about user scripts? Are they just programs and the author can decide or are they GPL, too? Since we are GNU we could ask the bosses

[LAD] Testing... There is a problem with the list?

2010-06-21 Thread Natanael Olaiz
Is there any problem with the list(s) server(s)? The last message that I received is from friday, but I see in the archive web page that there was more since that day. The same seems to happens in LAU. Natanael. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Cannam
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: I think this is the closest to the scenario I am envisaging. There is a host, which is non-Free and commercial, currently using a non-Free plugin, which is packaged with it. This non-Free plugin gets substituted

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Luis Garrido
I don't think many of the list subscribers are lawyers. This is a developer list, after all, so perhaps this is not the most reliable place to get legal advice. But I think what Paul is saying is the sensible thing: if the GPL plugin is integral to the host functionality and loaded automatically,

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Victor Lazzarini
The plugin is just a Free software plugin, that is GPL, distributed in binary form and source code etc. It is written as a plugin, so it can be used by any host of the same API. The host will load this plugin instead of the proprietary non-free plugin that it replaces. The plugin is made

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: I am not expecting legal advice. I am a developer too, working exclusively with Free software; I was never in a situation where I had to check closely the GPL license, but I expect that someone here might have had

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Cannam
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: The plugin is just a Free software plugin, that is GPL, distributed in binary form and source code etc. It is written as a plugin, so it can be used by any host of the same API. The host will load this plugin

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Victor Lazzarini
That's easy to answer: it's usable producing a file as output. It won't have means to play this file, for which it uses the plugin. It could potentially use different plugins of the same architecture to do the same thing. In fact, that's what is being done: the non-free plugin gets the boot

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Albert Graef
Victor Lazzarini wrote: I think this is the closest to the scenario I am envisaging. There is a host, which is non-Free and commercial, currently using a non-Free plugin, which is packaged with it. This non-Free plugin gets substituted by a Free plugin, which is free because, amongst other

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Albert Graef dr.gr...@t-online.de wrote: Yes. IANAL and all that, but the GPL is very clear on that, see e.g.: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF i would hardly call this very clear

Re: [LAD] Testing... There is a problem with the list?

2010-06-21 Thread Robin Gareus
Marc, Could you shed some light on this? The server's been up running without any issues. And the mail-queue looks normal. @Natanael: Did you get a warning message? (maybe in your SPAM folder) If there's repeated bounces from your email address your subscription would be disabled (you won't be

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Luis Garrido
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: The plugin is just a Free software plugin, that is GPL, distributed in binary form and source code etc. It is written as a plugin, so it can be used by any host of the same API. The host will load this plugin

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Albert Graef
Paul Davis wrote: If [ ... ] ***WE BELIEVE*** they form a single program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins. Well, this is a FAQ, not expert legal opinion. But according to the FSF the intent of the license is that if A and B are linked together in

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Albert Graef
Luis Garrido wrote: Ok, again this is my personal, legally unqualified opinion, but it would seem then that the LGPL might be perhaps the solution for your case. Yes, but if Victor uses a GPL'd library for his plugin then the combination of the plugin and the library would still be GPL'd. So

Re: [LAD] GPL and plugins

2010-06-21 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Albert Graef dr.gr...@t-online.de wrote: Paul Davis wrote: If [ ... ] ***WE BELIEVE*** they form a single program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins. Well, this is a FAQ, not expert legal opinion. But according to

[LAD] Better lossless compressions?

2010-06-21 Thread Gene Heskett
And is there a snowballs chance in hell that this is un-encumbered? http://electronicdesign.com/tabid/57/default.aspx?topic=algorithm_delivers_lossless_compression_to_adc_samplescatpath=fltrTitle=fltrSummary=fltrPublication.aspx?nl=1 Yeah, I sub to a lot of stuff, and occasionally a gem comes