Re: [LAD] libsuil

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 20:11 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: [snip] are you saying that this suil api will get it implicit and integrated into slv2? in a matter of days? i've looked into the suil.h and it makes perfect sense... I've done this now[1]. The half-baked collection API in Suil as of my

Re: [LAD] libsuil

2011-02-24 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:19:05 -0500, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 20:11 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: [snip] are you saying that this suil api will get it implicit and integrated into slv2? in a matter of days? i've looked into the suil.h and it makes perfect

Re: [LAD] LAD Activity (WAS: [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb)

2011-02-24 Thread torbenh
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:40:01AM -0500, David Robillard wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 13:01 +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: 2011/2/23 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com: On 2/22/11, David Robillard wrote: Before I totally forget about it... I think it might be a very

Re: [LAD] RDF libraries, was Re: [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Cannam
On 23 February 2011 23:55, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: They're all in my LAD meta-repository: Ah, externals. LGPL I see -- I've no problem with that in principle, but it would complicate matters a bit (both Dataquay and Redland being BSD). if you're just interested in Turtle +

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:41:56PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: and to answer that question: what happened was huge great boatloads of data that need to be shovelled around between all the relevant components, complicated synchronization in both the backend models and the user interfaces of all

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:11:33PM -0500, David Robillard wrote: Entirely Redland free. I hand-wrote a Turtle parser and serialiser. In short, it's been a PITA for everyone in numerous ways since day one. Congratulations. I mean it. This is probably the best move in the entire history of

Re: [LAD] LAD Activity (WAS: [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb)

2011-02-24 Thread Luis Garrido
Stefano wanted to know whether someone was starting something he was interested in because he might want to contribute, if I understood him correctly. But I don't think it is really common practice (or even good form?, but that's very debatable) to announce something if you are not ready to

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 02/24/2011 12:43 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: It's also foolish to suggest that the 'all inclusive universal DAW' will cater for those needs - just ignore what you don't use etc. It most definitely does *not* because it's by no means as universal as you may think, but rather the reflection of

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/24/2011 12:43 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Spending some money on Protools is not really different to doing the same for a kilometer of microphone cable or some XLR plugs. imnsho, this simile only holds if you intend to hang yourself with the microphone cable.

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/24/2011 12:47 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:11:33PM -0500, David Robillard wrote: Entirely Redland free. I hand-wrote a Turtle parser and serialiser. In short, it's been a PITA for everyone in numerous ways since day one. Congratulations. I mean it. seconded.

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:41:56PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: and to answer that question: what happened was huge great boatloads of data that need to be shovelled around between all the relevant components, complicated

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: There's no doubt that many users or potential users want the 'all integrated' DAW combining audio, sequencing, invasive effects, etc. required to produce a particular type of music (and some other content, e.g. ads) that happens to have

Re: [LAD] LAD Activity (WAS: [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb)

2011-02-24 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/23/2011 11:16 PM, David Robillard wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 20:05 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: Note: all posts to LAA are being moderated. Once they make it through moderation, the message will get on the linuxaudio.org front-page and is automatically added to planet LAD. If you prefer

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/02/the-79-virtual-analog-console-now-on-both-mac-and-linux-harrison-mixbus/ Coming from the rarified world of high-end audio systems, we recognized a lot of the same

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 04:07:41PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: There's no doubt that many users or potential users want the 'all integrated' DAW combining audio, sequencing, invasive effects, etc. required to produce a

Re: [LAD] Realtime threads and security

2011-02-24 Thread Olivier Guilyardi
Hello Robin, On 02/23/2011 08:28 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:22 AM, Olivier Guilyardi wrote: Hi, On 02/17/2011 10:53 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_runtime_us /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_period_us kernel-source/Documentation/scheduler/sched-rt-group.txt

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:02:21AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: i don't agree with you that its about a type of music. it is about the difference between some different ways of producing music, and not just two of them. there are certainly approaches to making music that are not well served by a

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:02:21AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: i don't agree with you that its about a type of music. it is about the difference between some different ways of producing music, and not just two of them.

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread torbenh
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:02:21AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: Well, I could pay or I could offer my time as a developer. During the last five years I have

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:28 AM, torbenh torb...@gmx.de wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:02:21AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: Well, I could pay or I could

Re: [LAD] libsuil

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 09:39 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:19:05 -0500, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 20:11 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: [snip] are you saying that this suil api will get it implicit and integrated into slv2? in

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: what you don't know (because you're not on IRC) is the question of N-point editing comes up a lot. i (and others) have argued (in my opinion quite successfully) that four point editing is a relic of an older workflow. others who have

Re: [LAD] RDF libraries, was Re: [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 10:48 +, Chris Cannam wrote: On 23 February 2011 23:55, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote: They're all in my LAD meta-repository: Ah, externals. LGPL I see -- I've no problem with that in principle, but it would complicate matters a bit (both Dataquay and

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 11:47 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:11:33PM -0500, David Robillard wrote: Entirely Redland free. I hand-wrote a Turtle parser and serialiser. In short, it's been a PITA for everyone in numerous ways since day one. Congratulations. I

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 13:08 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On 02/24/2011 12:43 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: It's also foolish to suggest that the 'all inclusive universal DAW' will cater for those needs - just ignore what you don't use etc. It most definitely does *not* because it's by no

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: what you don't know (because you're not on IRC) is the question of N-point editing comes up a lot. i (and others) have argued (in my opinion quite

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/24/2011 06:39 PM, Paul Davis wrote: well, panners in a3 are now plugins, of a fashion (they are a bit different from normal plugin APIs for a variety of reasons, primarily the fact that they never do in-place processing). its quite likely that at least the simplest of your ambi LADSPA

Re: [LAD] Realtime threads and security

2011-02-24 Thread Robin Gareus
On 02/24/2011 03:59 PM, Olivier Guilyardi wrote: Hello Robin, Now, say I'm only focusing on playback now. Is there something wrong with calling a blocking output API from a realtime thread as I ask below? mmh. it depends on how the blocking is done. If it is a spin-lock it will consume CPU

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Arnold Krille
On Thursday 24 February 2011 18:09:19 David Robillard wrote: To resolve this situation, we now have an exciting new Clippy inspired assistant that hops around your screen begging you to add MIDI tracks constantly. Will you call it ardourino? If, after 20 minutes, you have still not created a

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de You couldn't get the rights to use the amen-break for this? dude we don't use no breaks unless its when the levee breaks, is that clear? problem is, jimmy and the boys in zep wouldn't clear the sample for us, so ... we're

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Bechard
The amen break has no rights attached to it. It was a gift from the gods. Now whether or not those gods love or hate us is another matter... Michael - Original Message From: Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de To: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011

Re: [LAD] Realtime threads and security

2011-02-24 Thread Olivier Guilyardi
On 02/24/2011 07:01 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: On 02/24/2011 03:59 PM, Olivier Guilyardi wrote: Hello Robin, Now, say I'm only focusing on playback now. Is there something wrong with calling a blocking output API from a realtime thread as I ask below? mmh. it depends on how the blocking is

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Harry Van Haaren
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Michael Bechard gothma...@yahoo.comwrote: The amen break has no rights attached to it. It was a gift from the gods. Now whether or not those gods love or hate us is another matter... As far as I know the Winstons own the copyright (well... used to anyway, it

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Bechard
Heh, yeah, I know. I was more commenting on how every DJ on the planet has treated that sample. :) Michael From: Harry Van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com To: Michael Bechard gothma...@yahoo.com Cc: Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de;

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread drew Roberts
On Thursday 24 February 2011 12:09:19 David Robillard wrote: This is, of course, a big problem in terms of our greater mission to provide software that caters to the needs of precisely nobody while irritating everybody else. To resolve this situation, we now have an exciting new Clippy

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:04PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: the position that i take with N-point editing is not that there is some other way to do the following. There isn't. its that the way of approaching the task that leads to needing to do the following is rooted in an older way of

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:04PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: the position that i take with N-point editing is not that there is some other way to do the following. There isn't. its that the way of approaching the task

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 2/24/11, Fons Adriaensen wrote: the position that i take with N-point editing is not that there is some other way to do the following. There isn't. its that the way of approaching the task that leads to needing to do the following is rooted in an older way of thinking about the overall

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:20:44AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: You know, I find this kind of attitude quite dangerous. What attitude ? JAMin developers not having clue, Didn't write that. Ardour developers not having and clue About one very specfic issue. This is an error that

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 04:12:58PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:04PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: the position that i take with N-point editing is not that there is some other way to do the

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Nick Copeland
You are full of even more shit than I am - can you just f-off and write your own DAW? Or at least go and write apps for an OS that has other developer lists. we have to make sure that old fag [Fons] does disappear”. Jim Wong, president of IT products, Acer Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:58:12

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 2/25/11, Fons Adriaensen wrote: You know, I find this kind of attitude quite dangerous. What attitude ? See below. JAMin developers not having clue, Didn't write that. *sigh* Really? 'True. After all those years none of the 'DSP experts' developing Jamin has noticed anything wrong

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 01:05:03AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: 'True. After all those years none of the 'DSP experts' developing Jamin has noticed anything wrong when listening to it (it's quite obvious actually), let alone done a simple measurement that could have revealed this

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread David Robillard
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 21:39 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:20:44AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: [...] This is an error that any DSP student is allowed to make once. This is absolutely true for the one I referred to. As absolutely true as when I say the

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:47:10PM -0500, David Robillard wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 21:39 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:20:44AM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: [...] This is an error that any DSP student is allowed to make once. This is absolutely true

Re: [LAD] [ANN] IR: LV2 Convolution Reverb

2011-02-24 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 00:34 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I learned that 'ingen' is Swedish for 'no, nobody, nothing' or similar... Nobody it is. -- Brand new stockings http://mx44.linux.dk/notturno/brand_new_stockings.mp3 ___ Linux-audio-dev