Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 07:27:18PM +0100, Dan Mills wrote: Lets say your card is aligned so that 0dbFS = +18dbu (EBU standard), then 0Vu = +4dbu = - 14dbFS, so a software VU calibrated for 0Vu = -14dbFs should read the same as an external Vu calibrated for +4dbu =

[LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, There is an updated version of the Invada LV2 plugins available. This release contains a new plugin, 'Meters', which features Peak, VU, Phase Spectrograph meters. Screenshot is here:

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Fons Fons Adriaensen wrote: What's the point of using a meter if you adjust it to the signal ? You are not changing the signal, you are changing the amount of headroom the VU meter has. http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Headroom To put it

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:38:37AM +1000, Fraser wrote: Hi! So whenever analogue equipment needs to work with digital equipment it is configured so that 0dB in the analogue domain is at some (hopefully calibrated and consistent) level below 0dB in the digital domain. The actual value is

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Dan Mills
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 18:57 +1000, Fraser wrote: The amount of headroom between 0dB on the VU to digital 0dB is selectable from - -15dB to -3 dB. There is no right value for this, it really depends on the music, so just pick whatever value that causes the VU to spend most of it's time

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
VU meter: Maybe you should call it 'analogVUemu'. Phase correlator: Yep, some people generally spilt frequencies at around 200, resp. 250 Hz before they add effects or they avoid to panorama deep sounds. A phase correlator can be mistaken, because of some single sounds that don't matter in the

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 06:02:46PM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: I prefer Bob Katz' K metering system (K12, K14, K20) with well defined headrooms. Get jkmeter, also includes a real correlation meter. For VU and PPM meters that actually behave as VU and PPM meters, get jmeters. Both available on

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Dan Mills
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 18:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: - Bad! Having a VU meter that can be adjusted to allegedly be in sync with some analogue VU meter never ever will be fine. Compare margin for your digital meters and the meters on your mixing console by playing the same song several

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:38:37AM +1000, Fraser wrote: What's the point of using a meter if you adjust it to the signal ? You are not changing the signal, you are changing the amount of headroom the VU meter has. http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Headroom Yes, I know that. Still same

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Adrian Knoth wrote: Just a note: I personally don't like VUs in the digital domain. agree, their primary purpose is a bit meaningless. I prefer Bob Katz' K metering system (K12, K14, K20) with well defined headrooms. Check out this

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dan, Dan Mills wrote: You may want to increase the range of that reference level calibration, particularly as it applies to anything having a semi peak reading response. -16dbFS = +4dbu is not an uncommon place to run, and -20 is another

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ralf, Ralf Mardorf wrote: VU meter: Maybe you should call it 'analogVUemu'. I'm thinking 'tascam analogue level meter', perhaps everyone will chill a bit then :) F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Fraser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Adrian Knoth wrote: Just a note: I personally don't like VUs in the digital domain. agree, their primary purpose is a bit meaningless. I prefer Bob Katz' K metering system (K12, K14, K20) with well

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 05:44:55PM +0100, Dan Mills wrote: The VU is a slow response meter (300ms integration time IIRC)intended to (badly) track perceived volume, The VU specs are based on what was possible 50 or more years ago. A typical VU would just be a diode bridge and a series resistor

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
TU Berlin: Lediglich bei den Rundfunkanstalten besteht wegen des Austauschs von Programmmaterial auch über die Landesgrenzen hinweg die Notwendigkeit von einheitlichen Richtlinien. Da- bei gilt in Europa ein Übernahmepegel von +18 dBu für 0 dBFS (EBU R68), in den USA +24 dBu (SMPTE RP155). On

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Nedko Arnaudov
hollun...@gmx.at writes: The meter doesn't show up in lv2rack. It shows up in ardour2. zynjacku and lv2rack have cache of suitable plugins. Did you rescan the LV2 world after you installed the new version of Invada plugins? -- Nedko Arnaudov GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0 pgp69OfHrJ8Ys.pgp

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Dan Mills wrote: The key is that every stage has to have a known calibration, which is actually fairly common with professional cards. Okay :) I don't know professional cards for home recording myself and the professional studios I know have external VU meters. For my Envy24 based sound card

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Invada Studio LV2 Plugins 1.2.0

2009-08-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 07:27:18PM +0100, Dan Mills wrote: Lets say your card is aligned so that 0dbFS = +18dbu (EBU standard), then 0Vu = +4dbu = - 14dbFS, so a software VU calibrated for 0Vu = -14dbFs should read the same as an external Vu calibrated for +4dbu = 0Vu. If it does not then