Hallo,
here's an excellent read about Kim Casone (of .microsound and this list, too)
switching from Mac to Linux:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/
(URL in one line)
Great work, Kim!
Ciao
--
Frank
2009 9:41 AM
Subject: [LAD] Kim did the switch to Linux
>
> Hallo,
>
> here's an excellent read about Kim Casone (of .microsound and this list,
> too)
> switching from Mac to Linux:
>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-m
Hallo,
victor hat gesagt: // victor wrote:
> I am very happy to see this. One thing I thought was missing
> from his text was what did he replace MaxMSP with. I was
> wanting to read PD somewhere, but could not find it anywhere.
I think, Kim is just not using Max nor Pd anymore in his current wor
victor wrote:
> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
> days from the proprietary side of things.
>
A lot of professional studios ch
On 5 Aug 2009, at 10:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> victor wrote:
>> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
>> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
>> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
>> days from the proprietary si
Steve Harris wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2009, at 10:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> victor wrote:
>>> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
>>> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
>>> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
>>>
Hi,
On 05.08.2009, at 14:32, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> A lot of professional studios changed from MacOS to Windows and
>>> more and
>>> more of the professional studios still change from MacOS to Windows.
>>> This isn't an opinion by me, but what I hear if I get in contact
>>> with
>>> people I
investing the time
of your staff to support a bought closed-source product, you may
as well not invest the money too).
Victor
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From: "Ralf Mardorf"
To: "victor"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LAD] Kim did the sw
Florian Schirmer wrote:
> For OSX the top three are Logic, Live and ProTools. For Windows the
> top two are Cubase and Live. Overall there are more OSX than Windows
> users, since the switch to Intel based OSX systems the gap is steadily
> increasing. Again this depends on which user group and t
Frank Barknecht wrote:
> here's an excellent read about Kim Casone (of .microsound and this list, too)
> switching from Mac to Linux:
>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/
> (URL in one line)
Yup, that also hit the Sl
>From TFA:
--8<--
Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
You will see various acronyms, possibly including cryptic-looking
technologies like OSS, ESD, ALSA, JACK, an
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> >From TFA:
>
> --8<--
> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
> out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
> You will see various acronyms, possib
David Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>
>> >From TFA:
>>
>> --8<--
>> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
>> out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
>> Yo
2009/8/5 Grammostola Rosea :
> Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
What is the purpose of telling this mailing list this?
> I spen
> Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
>
> I spent 5 hours last week to help somebody to get his (pro) audio
> working on Linux..
On 08/06/2009 03:16 AM, David Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> From TFA:
--8<--
Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the
Am Donnerstag, den 06.08.2009, 00:54 +0200 schrieb Malte Steiner:
> > Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> > audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> > tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
> >
> > I spent 5 ho
Sorry you got this twice Hermann, I am still used to the reply munging that
was gotten rid of some time ago.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:52 PM, hermann wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Yes, I don't understand why people mean linux audio is a mess, last
> day's I have setup a new box with debian/sid and it took m
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2009 03:16 AM, David Robillard wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>>
>>> >From TFA:
>>>
>>> --8<--
>>> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
>>> out the pulldown
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> David Robillard wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> >From TFA:
>>>
>>> --8<--
>>> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
>>> out the pulldown menu next t
Paul Davis wrote:
> 2009/8/5 Grammostola Rosea :
>
>
>> Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
>> audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
>> tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
>>
>
> What is the purpose of t
Malte Steiner wrote:
> People are moaning about Linux Audio for a while but should look at the
> other systems, pro audio simply doesnt work on any (operating) system
> without some involvement. Hard- and software are now very complex
> systems and with all these small problems, its still not th
On 08/06/2009 04:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
This is why I know so many people who never ever will use Linux, because
of noise like yours Paul.
And your point is what exactly? That Paul should give a toss about those
people? That he or others on this list should just accept the continual
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2009 04:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is why I know so many people who never ever will use Linux, because
>> of noise like yours Paul.
>>
>
> And your point is what exactly? That Paul should give a toss about
> those people? That he or others on t
hermann wrote:
> Hi
>
> Yes, I don't understand why people mean linux audio is a mess, last
> day's I have setup a new box with debian/sid and it took me a half day
> to get a full featured rt audio/midi environment on the run. It's like
> always in life, if you wont to use a tool, you must know ho
On 08/06/2009 05:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
hermann wrote:
Hi
Yes, I don't understand why people mean linux audio is a mess, last
day's I have setup a new box with debian/sid and it took me a half day
to get a full featured rt audio/midi environment on the run. It's like
always in life, if
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> It seems to me that this attitude comes from a limited understanding
> of how the open source community works.
It differs to other open source communities, I agree and this might be a
problem for me, I agree. But I don't agree that most machines can be set
up to be fine
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that this attitude comes from a limited understanding
>> of how the open source community works.
>>
>
> It differs to other open source communities, I agree and this might be a
> problem for me, I agree. But I don't agree
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Many people use Linux Audio tools and infrastructure for professional
> use everyday.
Yes, less than 1% of all users are using Linux and this are many people,
because for audio there are more less people than for general usage.
And more than 99% people are less than les
On 08/06/2009 06:34 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> Many people use Linux Audio tools and infrastructure for professional
>> use everyday.
>
> Yes, less than 1% of all users are using Linux and this are many
> people, because for audio there are more less people than for gene
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> If you don't stop trolling and continually harping on about how you
> find Microsoft is easier to work with and Linux Audio has lots of
> problems without actually contributing anything useful to advance the
> tools that you find so lacking then I'm not the only one who
On 08/06/2009 07:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> If you don't stop trolling and continually harping on about how you
>> find Microsoft is easier to work with and Linux Audio has lots of
>> problems without actually contributing anything useful to advance the
>> tools that
Am Donnerstag, den 06.08.2009, 12:26 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> hermann wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Yes, I don't understand why people mean linux audio is a mess, last
> > day's I have setup a new box with debian/sid and it took me a half day
> > to get a full featured rt audio/midi environment on the
Ralf Mardorf schrieb:
>>With knowledge you need half a day, for Windows people without knowledge need
>>half an hour ;) .
This is a wrong, you can be happy to have a basic windows system running
in a half hour without drivers and the important security bullshit
(because Microsoft cant get their
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Pardon, my English is broken.
Which reminds me:
* What is your favourite programming language?
* What kind of Linux Audio project are you currently spending time upon?
/j
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Malte Steiner wrote:
> This is a wrong, you can be happy to have a basic windows system running
> in a half hour without drivers and the important security bullshit
First: I'm not using Windows.
People who do use Windows just take one of those illegal Windows "All In
One" media, push a button a
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Pardon, my English is broken.
>>
>
> Which reminds me:
>
> * What is your favourite programming language?
>
Assembler for different processors.
> * What kind of Linux Audio project are you currently
On 08/06/2009 11:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> Btw. Patrick, please run ntpdate or sntp, it's hard to puzzle your
> replies into the right order.
>
Gnome issue with time setting...
Thanks for pointing it out.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
> Ralf
>
__
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2009 11:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>
>> Btw. Patrick, please run ntpdate or sntp, it's hard to puzzle your
>> replies into the right order.
>>
>
>
> Gnome issue with time setting...
>
> Thanks for pointing it out.
Phew ;) so you don't get me wrong :).
Now
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> I never programmed anything for Linux. I'm not able to do it and I don't
> have the time to learn it.
>
> This is really my last reply to this topic, ...
Thanks!
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Hi Alex :)
I'll take the next bus and will reply to this mail only because of the
68000 issue.
alex stone wrote:
> [snip]
> I owned several variations of boxes including
> an Amiga (best midi timing on the planet), and my much cherished but
> now dead Fairlight.
>
I started with the C64 and
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>> This is really my last reply to this topic, ...
>>
>
> Thanks!
Sorry, it wasn't ;). because I haven't seen one mail and because I love
the MC68000 processor. But I'll shut up now :), for this topic.
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On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 14:07 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2009 03:16 AM, David Robillard wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> >
> > > >From TFA:
> > >
> > > --8<--
> > > Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 11:43 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Paul Davis wrote:
> > 2009/8/5 Grammostola Rosea :
> > Maybe Kim is precisely representative of the sort of the user LAD-ers
> > are interested in. Maybe not. What purpose does your email serve? Do
> > you think that anyone on this list is no
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:03 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Pardon, my English is broken.
>
> Which reminds me:
>
> * What is your favourite programming language?
> * What kind of Linux Audio project are you currently spending time upon
David Robillard wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:03 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> Pardon, my English is broken.
>> Which reminds me:
>>
>> * What is your favourite programming language?
>> * What kind of Linux Audio project are you cu
>> Hehe... does mailman support an entrance examination? :)
>
> i guess majordomo is what you're looking for :-D
>
Aka the Butler... Jeeves ;)
Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's August.
V
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>> entrance examination? :)
>>
I subscribed to the list, because I needed some information when I tried
to program for Linux audio. I guess you want people to learn how to
program for Linux audio. What you're looking for is an attitude test,
not a test about programming knowledge. I've go
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 23:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> entrance examination? :)
> >>
>
> I subscribed to the list, because I needed some information when I tried
> to program for Linux audio. I guess you want people to learn how to
> program for Linux audio. What you're looking for is
> What we're looking for is less completely irrelevant noise like this.
> Particularly in response to jokes (blatant smileys and all).
>
> Honestly...
There's a difference between scorn and joke.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Maybe he just replied to another mail and wanted to point out some problems
> that are the cause, that there are so less people using Linux real-time
> audio. I guess a developers list isn't a bad place to do it.
> I don't have the impression th
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Just a funny story to this:
Some weeks ago I jammed with a friend, a convinced osx user, at home.
My all purpose notebook was running with openoffice firefox and
thunderbird and eclipse as I worked with it before, so there was a first
strange look from
David Robillard:
>> Let's just fix the interaction between pulse and jack and be done with
>> it.
>
> That is one solution.
>
>> It's harmful to suggest that it things are less than they are
>
> Read the user posts in this thread, or ths post that started it. Things
> are as they are. Pretending
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:02 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
> Well, in my opinion, everything really is fantastic right now.
[...]
> A person coming directly from win/mac probably wouldn't have
> succeeded though, since jack needed to be configured and
> I had to manually install the pulseaudi
2009/8/6 Grammostola Rosea :
> I don't know if I can really recommend Linux for pro audio to normal
> human beings... at least I should say, you need a lot of time, not easy
> give up on things and a lot of patience...
How much do normal human beings need pro audio production tools?
-Chuckk
--
ht
Just two observations, only generally related:
If you have an OSX system without the installation discs, and you want
to install a free C/C++ compiler, the *only* way I have found is with
a download of several hundred MB from the official OSX website with
*lots* of extra stuff, examples, docs, dev
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 20:10 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> How much do normal human beings need pro audio production tools?
According to Apple marketing research, about 10% of perfectly normal
human beings plays an instrument - mostly either guitar or keyboard -
and would also like to use their
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Jens M
Andreasen wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 20:10 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>
>> How much do normal human beings need pro audio production tools?
>
> According to Apple marketing research, about 10% of perfectly normal
> human beings plays an instrument - m
Damn Reply-To-All, yet again.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Chuckk Hubbard
> wrote:
>
>> I guess my thought was that people who want to use audio
>> professionally are less likely to make decisions based on what
>> requires the leas
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 03:40 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Jens M
> Andreasen wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 20:10 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> >
> >> How much do normal human beings need pro audio production tools?
> >
> > According to Apple marketing resea
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 7:49 PM, David Robillard wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 03:40 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Jens M
>> Andreasen wrote:
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 20:10 +0300, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>> >
>> >> How much do normal human beings need pro aud
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