Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Richard Bown
rob wrote: Paul Davis wrote: I don't think people writing audio/midi/music applications should be using desktop environments. Their time is much better spent reimplementing everything a desktop environment gives in non-standard ways that no-one other than themselves can understand

Re: [linux-audio-dev] greenbox

2002-05-05 Thread Likai Liu
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: when i tried the website a week ago, it was 404. please keep me posted if you can find him. I had a hard time trying to find the website too, but i got lucky when i tried freshmeat.net: http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~venki-d/greenbox.html he probably changed his

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Richard Bown
Paul Davis wrote: rob wrote: Paul Davis wrote: I don't think people writing audio/midi/music applications should be using desktop environments. Their time is much better spent reimplementing everything a desktop environment gives in non-standard ways that no-one other than

Re: [linux-audio-dev] greenbox

2002-05-05 Thread Dave Phillips
Likai Liu wrote: a *lot* of links on the internet need be updated. including the one in linux-sound.org... No, that one is correct. Best regards, == Dave Phillips The Book Of Linux Music Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm The Linux Soundapps Site at

Re[2]: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Rick Burnett
I think you might be missing Paul's point. While yes I use KDE on both the Solaris side and the Linux side everyday, not everyone does. By using the KDE libraries you lock yourself into someone using a system that has KDE. If I were building a standalone system that only did music applications

Re: Re[2]: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Richard Bown
Rick Burnett wrote: I think you might be missing Paul's point. While yes I use KDE on both the Solaris side and the Linux side everyday, not everyone does. I think you may be missing my point, namely that without a tidy, integrated package of development libraries occasionally projects just

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Stefan Westerfeld
Hi! On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 10:04:09AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: rob wrote: If people want good quality, well-supported music applications for Linux then they'd better leave their preconceptions at the door. We should eschew the geek in favour of the average user. Make use of the

Re[4]: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Rick Burnett
RB I think you may be missing my point, namely that without a RB tidy, integrated package of development libraries occasionally RB projects just might never happen. As an application programmer RB I don't want to always be fighting an uphill battle against shifting RB or underpowered APIs - to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Stefan Westerfeld
Hi! On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:10:42PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: What I really fear is that an app may be so KDE/GNOME specific that it won't run outside of those environments. AFAIC, this is a loss, and it forces users into using an entire environment for a single application. For

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Richard Bown
Hi Dave, Thanks for the write up of Rosegarden 2.1 by the way! You wrote: Of course, that's one of the current beauties of Linux: I can have truly it my way, I'm not confined to a single desktop or wm, and I can make my system lean or fat as I desire. That is your right of course. But

Re: [linux-audio-dev] greenbox

2002-05-05 Thread Dave Phillips
Likai Liu wrote: i must be looking at the cached version in my browser. sorry about the misinfo. :) no problem... it's fine on the 1-page and in the Drumming section but it was wrong on the dp_choice page... fixed now though... thanks for the heads-up... == dp

Re: Re[4]: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Richard Bown
Rick Burnett wrote: Linux is not an operating system for simple users. Can I pin this one on the wall? It requires you to actually *think* about what you need to do. So _Linux_ is the one being elitist now is it? Every assumption you make takes away the freedoms that linux gives you.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, 2002-05-04 at 13:55, Paul Davis wrote: Is this possible to build it without KDE requirement While our user interface is KDE/Qt, the base/ (core library) is just plain C++/STL. IMHO, Qt is not a problem. KDE is. Same goes for GTK/GNOME. As I've said before, I don't think

Re[6]: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Rick Burnett
Linux is not an operating system for simple users. RB Can I pin this one on the wall? If someone came to me and said 'I am looking to get into computers, what should I get?' Last on that list would be Linux. It's too much of a leap for people unless they will have someone knowledgeable around

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden-4 v0.1.5 released

2002-05-05 Thread Likai Liu
I have a few more things to say again. You don't need to have the KDE desktop environment running in order to use KDE applications. All KDE applications (say, those that use DCOP) know how to start a basic set of core, life-supporting KDE processes, and these kdeinit processes do clean up