[linux-audio-dev] reborn aborted

2002-08-14 Thread jfm3
This whole thing is shady as hell. You can't copyright a user interface. We've been through that already (see http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Copyright/copyright.html). You can copyright specific graphics, but Reborn only looks similar to that other program. In fact, there are explicit facilities for making

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread Will Benton
This smells funny. "Unfortunately, because the UI is infringing, I can't distribute the source." There are so many ways around that that it's not funny, starting with the most basic -- removing the "reborn.rma" file from the distribution. I don't want to question this fellow's motives -- especi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread Juan Linietsky
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Taybin Rutkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, n++k wrote: > > > |>What? It's a shame he won't fight this. INAL, but isn't the > > |user>interface non-copyrightable? > > | > > |well i guess his next version will be even better :) > > >

[linux-audio-dev] LADSPA plugin - non realtime use of buffers

2002-08-14 Thread Nathan Stewart
I wrote a little truncating gate as a Ladspa plugin for my own use that is designed to function somewhat like ecasound's -gc: gate, but with the ability to reopen. It's quite simple, as I designed it to be fed from an effects type noise gate plugin, so it only looks for a string of zero's in a row

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ardour-dev] experiences and reflectionsfrom the UK - trim handles

2002-08-14 Thread antoine rivoire
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 23:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i plan to remove trim mode completely, as suggested by gerard, and use > > handles at the ends of the region(view). sx does this, and it was so > > much easier to use than the current trim model in ardour. > > it appears to me that the PT

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [ardour-dev] experiences and reflections from the UK - trim handles

2002-08-14 Thread orf
> i plan to remove trim mode completely, as suggested by gerard, and use > handles at the ends of the region(view). sx does this, and it was so > much easier to use than the current trim model in ardour. it appears to me that the PT trim mode is _very_ quick (depending on whether you have to swit

Re: [linux-audio-dev] App intercomunication issues, some views. GSOUND ????

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:16:43PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > ... tempo sync a delay plugin ... Eh? can't you just have a control port on the plugin for tempo (a float), and apply some multiplier to that, invert it and bingo, delay time in seconds. what am I missing? you want it automatic? well,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, n++k wrote: > |>What? It's a shame he won't fight this. INAL, but isn't the user > |>interface non-copyrightable? > | > |well i guess his next version will be even better :) > > My first thought when i saw the screenshot was that considering it > seems he took the origina

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread n++k
/wrote "Stefan Nitschke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:21 +] |>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |> |> > I jsut went to finally give it a try, and found out there is no more |> > reborn, it has been shut down. |> > I wish I hade downloaded when I hade the time |> |>Wh

Re: [linux-audio-dev] App intercomunication issues, some views. GSOUND ????

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Davis
>> in the future, it hopefully won't be necessary to do this. instead, >> you can go and look at rosegarden, muse, ardour, ecasound etc. and ask >> "how do they do it?" > >Inside 90.000 lines of code ? without doc ? , without any aparent order ? when people like jesse chappel (who also wrote th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread Stefan Nitschke
>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I jsut went to finally give it a try, and found out there is no more > > reborn, it has been shut down. > > I wish I hade downloaded when I hade the time > >What? It's a shame he won't fight this. INAL, but isn't the user >interface non-copyrig

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I jsut went to finally give it a try, and found out there is no more > reborn, it has been shut down. > I wish I hade downloaded when I hade the time What? It's a shame he won't fight this. INAL, but isn't the user interface non-copyrightable? Ta

[linux-audio-dev] Alas, reborn is no more?

2002-08-14 Thread mawali
Hi I jsut went to finally give it a try, and found out there is no more reborn, it has been shut down. I wish I hade downloaded when I hade the time FT

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Reborn

2002-08-14 Thread mawali
Maybe we should invite the author for this discussion. He probably would be interested in finding out what other linux audio guys think about the product. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Steve Harris wrote: > That was my thought too. As we have seen before, when software is designed > with OSS in mind it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:40:38 +0200, Anders Torger wrote: > Wouldn't it be possible to make an API where you report the latency to > Jack, and then Jack automatically aligns all applications? There is > probably a bunch of problems doing so, I have not given it any deeper > thought. That al

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Davis
>On Wednesday 14 August 2002 15.51, you wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 03:13:12 +0200, Anders Torger wrote: >> > I'm considering a redesign of I/O handling in BruteFIR to add Jack >> > support (I/O is currently select()-based), but since it is >> > processes in blocks, perhaps it is not feasibl

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Anders Torger
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 15.51, you wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 03:13:12 +0200, Anders Torger wrote: > > I'm considering a redesign of I/O handling in BruteFIR to add Jack > > support (I/O is currently select()-based), but since it is > > processes in blocks, perhaps it is not feasible? >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Reborn

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Davis
>On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 13:21, Paul Davis wrote: > >> a "pull" model ("hey client: do this much work right now"). > >Should the "this much work" be constant? Ie, should I be dealing with >midi events (of which there may or may be some) inside or outside the >process callback? the process() callba

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Reborn

2002-08-14 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 13:21, Paul Davis wrote: > a "pull" model ("hey client: do this much work right now"). Should the "this much work" be constant? Ie, should I be dealing with midi events (of which there may or may be some) inside or outside the process callback? Bob -- Bob Ham: [EMAIL PR

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 03:13:12 +0200, Anders Torger wrote: > I'm considering a redesign of I/O handling in BruteFIR to add Jack > support (I/O is currently select()-based), but since it is processes in > blocks, perhaps it is not feasible? It makes it trickier. If the jack period size is gion

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Martijn Sipkema
> How does the pull model work with block-based algorithms that cannot > provide any output until it has read a block on the input, and thus > inherently has a lower bound on delay? > > I'm considering a redesign of I/O handling in BruteFIR to add Jack > support (I/O is currently select()-based),

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Anders Torger
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 15.23, you wrote: > >> sync. this is a natural consequence to using a "push" model ("i'm > >> the client, and i'll work when and for as long as i choose") as > >> opposed to a "pull" model ("hey client: do this much work right > >> now"). > > > >How does the pull model

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Davis
>> sync. this is a natural consequence to using a "push" model ("i'm the >> client, and i'll work when and for as long as i choose") as opposed >> to a "pull" model ("hey client: do this much work right now"). > >How does the pull model work with block-based algorithms that cannot >provide any ou

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Jack and block-based algorithms (was: Reborn)

2002-08-14 Thread Anders Torger
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 14.21, you wrote: > >If I understand Paul Davis' arguments correctly, the main motivation > >for the Jack design instead of the read/write approach is improved > >latency. > > well, its not really that by itself. r/w-designs can do just as > well. the real goal is sampl

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Reborn

2002-08-14 Thread Paul Davis
>If I understand Paul Davis' arguments correctly, the main motivation >for the Jack design instead of the read/write approach is improved >latency. well, its not really that by itself. r/w-designs can do just as well. the real goal is sample synchronous execution *with* low latency. if you allow

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Reborn

2002-08-14 Thread Peter Hanappe
Steve Harris wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 12:23:28 +0200, günter geiger wrote: > >>Actually I think for output only applications you could get off without a >>redesign. Just write your data to a buffer and wait until the process() >>fetches it. This will introduce a buffer copy, but the overh

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ANN] Chameleon DSP engine

2002-08-14 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:25:45PM +0200, Ingo Oeser wrote: (cut) Ok, I grasp your intent, its a good idea. Letting a DSP idle is not the best idea, so if you can use it for specific computations, that would be nice. >> Could you tell me exactly what you would >> do with this board and how that