Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
Ivica Bukvic wrote: Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X world since there are no restrictions as to which platform this software is run o

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Marc Lavallée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 21 Juin 2003 19:53, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > For instance, I would love to see KDE drop the ugly artsd and use either > Jackd or alsa's dmix plugin, but that is not going to happen because > they believe that artsd is better (for whatever odd reas

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread krautj
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:22:37 -0400, "Ivica Bukvic" wrote: >Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). > >However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature >of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X >world since there are no restrictions

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]t

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> I wouldn't decline this idea so fast, i think he made a valid point. > If you watch todays software market, especially the battle between the > OSes, you can see Apple as well as M$ aquiring so-called > "Killer-Applications" which shall force people who need that Apps to > move to their OS. Espec

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> I really don't see this as a problem. Do you mind saying why? The way I see it is it could be possibly because it feels good for a developer to see that the interest in their creation is increasing beyond the confines of the original platform, which certainly is good for the developer as an ind

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]t

2003-06-21 Thread Max Nickel
Am Son, 2003-06-22 um 02.46 schrieb Tim Hockin: > > In the end, we will not reap what we have sown. Users on the OS X will > > be theoretically able to run Ardour as much as we will, especially now > > that jackd has been ported to OS X. To me, this does not seem right. > > I guess I don't see it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:22:37 -0400 "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). > > However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature > of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X > world since t

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Brian Redfern
The problem I had with osx was that there wasn't enough good audio freeware. Pd works well, and so does csound and soundhack, but I use a lot of midi and find the lack of a free app like muse or rosegarden4 is not so nice, given logic audio costs $750. What I did was go back to os9 on my one machin

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]t

2003-06-21 Thread Tim Hockin
> In the end, we will not reap what we have sown. Users on the OS X will > be theoretically able to run Ardour as much as we will, especially now > that jackd has been ported to OS X. To me, this does not seem right. I guess I don't see it as a problem. Forcing people to use this or that software

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> Perhaps we should make a mended version of GPL that would have exact > permissions like the original GPL license, but in addition would ask > that the software cannot be run on top of proprietary OS. This way, we Sorry, meant to say commercial OS since obviously one could run such software on OS

[linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X world since there are no restrictions as to which platform this software is run on, and Apple made an

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> If you really believe a GNU/Linux system if a better choice because of its > open architecture, then hack some user-friendly tools, or ask someone > else to do it. I am. Check my website. But I am also running out of steam (or maybe I am simply exhausted by the end-of-school-year syndrome, so ev

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:34:28 -0400 "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although if I ended up running Linux on it I would be paying a lot more > for (at best) comparable hardware shrink-wrapped in the pretty box. If > that is all, then I guess I feel rehabilitated :-). I have a 500Mhz G3

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Although if I ended up running Linux on it I would be paying a lot more for (at best) comparable hardware shrink-wrapped in the pretty box. If that is all, then I guess I feel rehabilitated :-). I am really thinking here whether OS X is worth the stab, or will I feel caged once I abandon the freed

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:53:52 -0400 "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Just heard the news (rumors) of new Macs that are going to hit the > streets on Monday. Seems like Apple is finally going to catch-up with > the PC world: there's talk of using IBM's PowerPC 970 64-bit CPU'

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread John Lazzaro
> "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Anyone care to comment or (please) dissuade me from potentially > making a costly mistake? ;-) I don't think it needs to be either/or -- I run sfront under Linux at work doing real-time things, and I run sfront at home using OS X doing real-time thi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] 2.5.72 + ALSA + jack == happy monkey

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Jonsson
Hi, lördagen den 21 juni 2003 09.18 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Wanted to post a quick success story with the 2.5 kernel series: > Machine > processor VIA C3 Ezra > cpu MHz : 932.918 > bogomips: 1843.20 > 256MB ram > > Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread R Parker
Hi Ivica, I'll rant on this for awhile. I guess it all depends on what you require. There's little doubt in my mind that the alternatives to linux based audio production will have to take very serious measures to compete with a looming problem. That being pro audio tools that are free from moneta

[linux-audio-dev] severe FS corruption w/ reiserfs and 2.5.72-bk3

2003-06-21 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
a word of warning: i just completely and utterly trashed my filesystems with 2.5.72-bk2 and reiserfs. there are metric shitloads of errors on journal replay and i end up in repair mode. did a couple of --rebuild-tree's, but new errors cropped up after every reboot. happens both on scsi and ide

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread cliffw
> Hi all, > >[snip - mac news - ] > > Please don't get me wrong. I am still in favor of Linux, obviously due > to its open architecture. But at the same time I am becoming a bit weary > of having to "hack" my advanced audio settings rather than use > user-friendly tools. That, coupled with still

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Marc Lavallée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 21 Juin 2003 11:53, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > Please don't get me wrong. I am still in favor of Linux, obviously due > to its open architecture. But at the same time I am becoming a bit > weary of having to "hack" my advanced audio settings rather th

[linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Hi all, Just heard the news (rumors) of new Macs that are going to hit the streets on Monday. Seems like Apple is finally going to catch-up with the PC world: there's talk of using IBM's PowerPC 970 64-bit CPU's. Makes me wonder what repercussions this will have on the whole LAD/LAU community, con

[linux-audio-dev] 2.5.72 + ALSA + jack == happy monkey

2003-06-21 Thread cliffw
Wanted to post a quick success story with the 2.5 kernel series: Machine processor VIA C3 Ezra cpu MHz : 932.918 bogomips: 1843.20 256MB ram Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) Debian unstable. This is the little VIA mini-itx