Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>yes, you can move audio over USB. the question is not whether you can,
>but whether you should, and my feeling is that professional or
>semi-professional users should avoid it completely, regardless of what
>Yamaha, Tascam, Edirol and others who want to provide *cheap*
>con
Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 07:10:39 -0500, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Abramo Bagnara wrote:
Despite that I strongly think that an audio server that not permit in
native way the traditional approach (what you call blocking approach)
will never achieve the dr
Probably you need to be running as root. I don't know about Muse
myself, since I don't use
it, but most apps that have a -R or -rt option require you to be root
for real-time scheduling.
hth,
dgm
Son of Zev wrote:
Hi
On loading MusE with the -R option I get this error after a few seconds
Of course, any kernel enhancements they make will have to be GPL'd.
That could help us.
-dgm
Bob Ham wrote:
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:46, Paul Davis wrote:
they announced last month that next year or soon after, they would be
using embedded linux in just about all their consumer keyboards and
David Olofson wrote:
The very AU interfaces looked a *lot* like Objective C to me in the
docs, but maybe I wasn't reading carefully enough...
I'm hardly an Objective-C expert, but I'm pretty sure that it's just
Apple-flavored OO-style C.
-dgm
STEFFL, ERIK (SBCSI) wrote:
also, alsa is linux only, isn't it?
erik
There was a QNX port, iirc, but I don't know what its status is.
Seriously, though,
anything as advanced as a sampler should be using JACK. JACK currently
exists
for Linux and (I believe) Solaris, but it's not far off f
snake wrote:
i'm going to write a software sampler for linux, that receives MIDI
notes from my MIDI-Interface.
Please subscrive to linuxsampler-dev. There is already a project under
way to do this.
You should probably also search the archives of this list under the XAP
thread. There
was qui
Levi Burton wrote:
Greetings,
I was curious what compiler versions people have had the best luck with.
I am currently using: gcc version 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-113)
I am considering upgrading via RPM to what appears to be 3.2
(gcc-3.2-7.i386.rpm). Good idea? Bad Idea?
Thanks!
Tim Goetze wrote:
vanDongen-Gilcher wrote:
rhythmn is always based on one integral periodic 'pulse'. if
time is not divisible by this atom, there is no musical time.
Nancarow, Ives, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Boulez, Schaeffer, Henry etc. etc in
the classical field
can you point at a specific w
Tim Goetze wrote:
please, please, please, ask your favourite musician friends.
read good books about it. listen to indian, jazz, techno,
blues, classical western, classical indian, japanese, rap,
whatever music: rhythmn is integral.
Except when it isn't.
Well, which ones qualify?
all of
Tim Goetze wrote:
[33] Over eighty-five percent of the ragas on the CDs have been
performed in tintal.
tim
Way off-topic: I wonder if that's due to western influence, since the 16
beats of
tintal somewhat resemble the 4-bar 4/4 phrase of western music.
However, tintal
can also be subdivided
David Olofson wrote:
actually and mathematically proving this unfortunately is
beyond me, you have to try it yourself.
Well, why don't we ask someone who actually plays this kind of music
seriously? I can only tell you how *I* count when dealing with
complex rhythms - and I don't do it all
Sorry, forgot to add:
Pascal Haakmat wrote:
Modern technology (and software in particular) allows us to design
incredibly flexible instruments without needing to commit to any
particular musical tradition at all. That doesn't mean that doing so
is also always a good idea.
I know what you're sa
Pascal Haakmat wrote:
16/12/02 16:51, Paul Davis wrote:
western music's emphasis on integral beats per bar has led to a
slipping away of a great deal of the fun and beauty to be found in
other musical traditions. i've recommended it before, and i'll do it
again now:
I find your exposition on
David Olofson wrote:
I think he meant "start of beat" and that kind of stuff, rather.
("isolde stirbt" would be a change of a string Control of some weird
plugin. ;-)
Hmm. I like the idea of a plugin that uses the string "Isolde stirbt" as
a control
so much that I think I'll just have to imp
Paul Davis wrote:
We've been talking about 'TEMPO' and 'TRANSPORT' and 'TICKS' and 'METER'
controls, which (honestly) kind of turns my stomach. This is not what
controls are meant to be doing. the answer strikes me in shadowy details:
Each host struct has a timeline member. Plugins register w
David Olofson wrote:
On Sunday 15 December 2002 03.44, Tim Hockin wrote:
Aaargh! Can't seem to find anything more interesting than a PDF
with a very basic overview... Is there a freely available SDK
anywhere?
Would just like to say that I find some parts of that PDF a bit
scary... We're *not*
David Olofson wrote:
On Sunday 15 December 2002 00.32, Paul Davis wrote:
* Is there a good reason to make event system timestamps
relate to musical time rather than audio time?
Again, I would rather let the timestamps deal with audio time.
Hosts which work in bars/beats/frames
should be
Steve Harris wrote:
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:25:46 +0100, David Olofson wrote:
Well, I don't exactly know Objective C, but I've read up on the
basics, for reasons I can't remember... (Probably to see if it was
the "C++ done right" I was looking for. In that case, it was not,
because the co
David Olofson wrote:
On Saturday 14 December 2002 19.41, Tim Goetze wrote:
this is not meant to intimidate, rather to be a wake-up call.
[...many good points elided...]
Well, considering that we seem to have virtually *no* input from
people with solid experience with software sequencers or
Steve Harris wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 04:25:08 +0100, David Olofson wrote:
Well, this might be early, but I needed to do something slightly less
demanding for a while. So I hacked a small presentation:
http://olofson.net/xap/
Nice logo.
- Steve
Very nice. Logo #2 (with the red A)
David Olofson wrote:
That's not rude - I don't think anyone is *totally* sure about this...
Though, you might want to note (pun not intended) that I'm really
talking about "continous pitch" - not note numbers, as in "integer,
MIDI style". You could think of the relation as
linear_pitch = f(n
David Olofson wrote:
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 13.59, David Gerard Matthews wrote:
Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 12:40:18 +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote:
I can't really say I can think of a better way though.
Personally I'd leave scales out of the API and let the
Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 12:40:18 +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote:
I can't really say I can think of a better way though. Personally I'd leave
scales out of the API and let the host deal with it, sticking to 1.0/octave
throughout, but I can see the advantages of this as well.
Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
[representing pitch]
i'm a classically trained musician, and i even failed to learn csound
properly, but even so it strikes me as highly arbitrary and somewhat
anachronistic to stick to the 12 semitones/octave model.
so i'd strongly second steve's suggestion to have 1
David Olofson wrote:
AFAIK, there are even musicians that don't have much use of current
standard synths and applications, simply because they're too
restrictive, and/or way too cumbersome to deal with, when it comes to
scales and pitch control.
Like me?
-dgm
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0100, David Olofson wrote:
(Quite easy to spell too, for those who refuse to say "ksapp" or
whatever. ;-)
Well, taking a cue from xylophones and Xerox,
I would pronounce it ZAP! ... with the exclamation
point ;)
--PW
Or else you ca
David Olofson wrote:
On Sunday 08 December 2002 12.52, Steve Harris wrote:
[...API name...]
I jokingly suggested XLP in a previous thread on a similar subject.
It could be... eXtended Linux Plugins?
Maybe XLI would be good here.
Not bad - although I think the "Linux" part is an issue. Do we
Steve Harris wrote:
Agreed, our German brethren seem to want to spell out
El-Ah-Dee-Es-Pee-Ah, which is pretty inconvenient.
OTOH I think Joern was amused when I insisted on pronouncing luss, as in
"can you just ls that directory".
- Steve
Yeah, when I went to buy a SCSI Zip disk a few years
D R Holsbeck wrote:
I guess stability is not an issue?
It's not the potential drawing card that it once was. OSX is as stable
as Linux, and even 'doze XP is getting there, from what I hear.
-dgm
To attract commercial attention, a Linux audio application would have to
offer either a unique
Mark Knecht wrote:
Patent holder?? GET HIM! Good thing you didn't post on slashdot.
Taybin
LOL!! Well, my name is on a number of patents, including one (#6,457,152)
accepted by the Patent Office a few weeks ago. (Also post-1996 - #6,356,099,
#6,240,480, Pre-1996 I just don't remember,
Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
it's much easier to port from Un*x to OSX
than vice versa. A far greater number of
*nix libraries have been ported from the *nix world to OSX than the
other way around. You can even run X windows
on OSX
I think "OroboroSX", or some such name, is an X window manager
f
Paul Davis wrote:
OS X, despite being "unix", actually promotes/requires that
applications are written using an API (i.e. a set of libraries) that
bear little resemblance to anything traditionally called "unix". so
even this will not help the porting effort. in theory, the gnustep
people have a s
Mark Knecht wrote:
I'd pay regular retail prices
for any program that could compete with Logic, Pro Tools or Cubase SX on the
Linux platform.
Whoa, something Mark K. and I agree on! :) Right on!
As a user I feel a bit trapped that I can't get the software
I want today AT ANY PRICE on Linux
assayag gerard wrote:
Until now, we did'nt have the internal resources to develop a full
linux version of OpenMusic. However a fragmental prototype of OM/Linux
based on cmucl had been developed by Camilo Rueda and his team at Cali
Univsersity in Colombia. See http://escher.puj.edu.co/openmusic
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
CDs are an outdated medium that has survived because of the patent
industry. If the multimedia companies didn't have so much invested
into cd technology we would all own DVDRW drives by now. I hope it is
just a matter of time before the prices are reasonable for small sc
I think someone on one of the lists (ardour-dev, maybe) managed to do
this. There was a lot of messing around, however,
and much as I like M-Audio cards I wouldn't recommend this approach to
someone who just need a lot of analog I/O.
OTOH, doesn't the Hammerfall DSP have a multi-channel analog i
Steve Harris wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:50:52 -0800, Tom wrote:
OK, can someone recommend a DI box I can buy in europe for a reasonable
ammount of money? Studiospares lists a range from E50 (behringer) to E460
(MTR) +tax.
19" and XLR output is perferable, but I can live without either.
Steve Harris wrote:
Thats something that worried me, I seem to remeber that the sound of a
guitar changes if its not impedance matched with the AD converter. I'm
pretty sure, mine doesn't match passive guitars. My bass is active though,
and I dont have any DI boxes, so no choice anyway.
Yeah, y
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:03:23PM +, Steve Harris wrote:
Whats a typical arangement for speaker cones? I remeber seeing single cone
(obviously) and 2x2.
1, 2, and 4 are the most common. It's common to only
mic 1 of the cones, pretty close up - but it's also common
t
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
As in the NZ, Australian, British, French and US flags?
Some of us are really sick of seeing flags everywhere...
That's true. It is becoming more of a community property these days.
Does anyone else have any suggestions. Keeping in mind that the site
is primaril
Is anyone working on this: http://www.ircam.fr/equipes/repmus/OpenMusic?
Apparently they GPL'd the sources, and you can download it, but it's
written in Lisp, and MCL PPC Lisp at that. However, as they put it:
"At the beginning, this will make sense only to people owning the
Digitool compiler
Steve Harris wrote:
gnoise doesn't do this, and neither does snd. i am not sure about
audacity, but i suspect it doesn't either.
Audacity, and glame use disk paging.
IMHO sweep has the best UI (speed, clarity, usability), its a shame about
the RAM thing, but maybe thats why its so fast.
- St
Mark Knecht wrote:
Please remember - from my perspective this was all a joke anyway. (!!)
Ok, no harm done. Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh - didn;t realize it
was a joke. I have heard people propose that kind of stuff seriously.
-dgm
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:38:52 -0400
David Gerard Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sweep: Loads of fun, fast, pretty, nice use of LADSPA plugins. Still
no way to record directly into the program from an external source.
Yes there is.
The little re
Mark Knecht wrote:
Possibly , but to install PTLE you must have PTLE hardware in the system.
Not true. I have ProTools Free installed on a Windows box with no digi h/w
whatsoever. PT Free can import files from other versions of PT.
-dgm
(At least using the default Windows installer from Dig
I just spent several hours last night comparing three different editors.
Basically, all of them have something to recommend, and
I plan on keeping all of them on my system. The skinny:
Snd: My old favorite. Easy to use, keeps getting better, but a bit
ugly still. Nonetheless, I know how to u
Now that would be a fun Linux audio box! ;-)
I won't be getting my hopes up anytime soon... (Unless some tells me it
already works!!)
Cheers,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:linux-audio-dev-admin@;music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of David
Gerard Matthews
Mark Knecht wrote:
Taybin,
So I may one day be able to run Acid Pro in wine and route audio to alsa?
That would be just too cool for words! ;-)
Mark
Don't get your hopes up. I can't even get Sibelius to run in wine - and
I didn't even attempt midi entry or playback.
Besides, I don't know w
John Lazzaro wrote:
Lea Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Wishing for people to write native apps for a system with no market is
like wishing Windows would die. It might happen, but it's not bloody
likely.
However, if you port a novel Linux application to Windows or OS X,
the users on those
Paul Davis wrote:
(*) of course, no public release of nuendo for beos, or (i think) even
nuendo for irix, has ever took place.
Rather unfortunate, in many ways. I love Irix, and and you would think
it wouldn't be too hard to port the Irx code
to Linux.
-dgm
(Who has been searching for a
Paul Davis wrote:
i do know what RTcmix is. i've used it. its a really cool program. its
not the sort of thing i would use for RTP. if you do, thats great, but
most of the people who are buying software for RTP are also not
looking for software like RTcmix.
LADSPA plugin out there... Yet you s
Kai Vehmanen wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Gerard Matthews wrote:
That was the most useful part of this email. I've hoping that someone
would port one of the Music N languages to JACK for some
time, and I certainly do not have the skills do it myself. Thank you
Just in case yo
Ivica Bukvic wrote:
That being said, I have been at least somewhat convinced that Jack is
possibly the way to go, and after some thinking, I've decided to attempt
porting RTcmix into the Jack framework. Only time will now tell whether
this was worth it or not.
Regards,
Ico
That was the mos
I seem to remember a few years back - around 1998 or so, if I recall,
that Electronic Musician magazine
ran an article on Linux. (It was called "The Penguin's Song") I read
the article, and even though there
didn't seem to be too many useful apps at that point, it got me curious.
I started usi
Steve Harris wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:34:20 +0100, nick wrote:
indeed, for a plugin soft-synth, it would only ever make sense to write
it in c/c++ or assembler really, a question of speed. Are there really
people who seriously want to write a synth in aynthing else?
Of course, plent
Paul Davis wrote:
>
>drat. the ardour project loses one of its more capable programmers :)
>
>--p
>
On the contrary. Since this uses JACK, it benefits ardour enormously.
I'm already stoked about the possibilities..
Hello,
The Hammerfall has a great reputation, but it might be more
cost-effective to go with one of the M-Audio cards if you don't need
16-24 channels of audio. The biggest selling point of the Hammerfall
cards (besides their legendary low-latency performance) is the massive
number of channel
Mac-Only apps:
Max/MSP (yes I know PD runs on Windows and Linux, and jMax may be running
on on Windows by now)
Metasynth
Several Ircam pacakages: Super Phase Vocoder, Modalys
SoundHack
SuperCollider (for the time being)
Many ProTools plugins
Still a pretty substantial list, don't you think?
L
se filters retain pulse shapes,
> but make you wait to see them." -- Jerry Avins in comp.dsp
>
>
*
David Gerard Matthews
Composer and Sound Designer
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Paul Davis wrote:
> there are much better cards than the Event series. The Midiman
Delta's
> would be the most obvious choice. well engineered, well documented,
> well liked, and pretty well supported under Linux.
>
In fact, the guy who sold me my Delta told me specifically to stay clear
of the
Paul Davis wrote:
>
> me too, except that a LADSPA solution to this would be a very useful,
> modular solution for many different contexts.
>
Indeed it would. The possibilities of a LADSPA- (or even JACK) based
sampler are (from the user's perspective) incredible. By building the
program aroun
iriXx wrote:
>
> in the rather remote and bizarre world of electroacoustic / academic composition and
>research... which i guess is where i belong... there is a huge demand for apps like
>Sculptor, jMax, pd, etc
> logic and cubase are for me "too commercial"... my professional work require
Max Kovgan wrote:
>
> am i in the wrong place ...
You're not.
> i thought this list is for people who try to add professional audio
> appliances into linux.
It is. Joachim was just being cynical. Stick around a year or so,
we'll have some pretty kicking software.
-dgm
Well, has anyone sent them mail to invite them to the party? Sounds
like their insight would be useful!
-dgm
Paul Davis wrote:
>
> >I've just seen this new version of MuSE on freshmeat:
> >http://muse.dyne.org/
>
> i have this sinking feeling that nobody at dyne.org is on LAD. these
> folks h
"DeMeo, William" wrote:
>
> "David Gerard Matthews Jr." wrote:
> >
> please elaborate on why KDE is too bloated for audio. I'm
> using KDE with 256MB and two 400 MHz processors and X averages > > > about 10%
> of system memory and about 1%
I run a really stripped-down Blackbox when doing audio work. For
general tasks (websurfing, etc.) I usually use Gnome, but as you pointed
out, it's way too bloated for audio (and KDE is even worse). Some people
also like XFCE or IceWM.
-dgm
Joachim Backhaus wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I don't if
SuSE installs "stable" alsa by default, and automatically configures it.
(Or at least 7.2 did. I have no experience with 7.3, the most recent
version.) It also includes some alsa packages, and is just an
all-around good newbie distro.
-dgm
Len Moskowitz wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who responded t
It sounds like arecord (included with alsa) will do what you need. For
editing, I like Snd, but there are a lot of othere worthy (2-channel)
apps out there.
-dgm
Len Moskowitz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this list.
>
> I'd like to record two channel audio from two microphone
Jussi Laako wrote:
> I still use Windows for making music because there is no suitable software
> available.
>
> - Jussi Laako
Obviously not, if you insist on using OSS.
-dgm
dave willis wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
>
> ??? dats are 48000, and cds are 44100. doesn't some sort of resampling
> need to occur here?
Every pro DAT I've ever used has had the option to run at 44100, an
option I always to take advantage of to avoid resampling or multiple
Paul Davis wrote:
>
> >Ok. Could we gather what we already have and what we need to get? In
> >which directions should we push which people? For example, we're getting
> >the glue (jackit) but what do we need to glue together? Is there
> >something nobody has started to make, even if it's clearly
Paul Davis wrote:
>
> >Who says you need ProTools?
>
> its cheaper than drugs, though in the long run, it may screw up your
> life more, particularly if you decide to try to reimplement it ;)
>
Well, despite my earlier comments, I really appreciate your efforts in
that direction:) I should als
Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
>
> > do you think you could do even just a 16 track edit and
> > mixdown with snd[...]?
>
> yes. But isn't 16 tracks a sign that something else is wrong?
Possibly:
The Beatles, "Sgt. Pepper": 2 x 4-track analog decks
K. Stockhausen, "Gesang d
Paul Davis wrote:
> as many people on slashdot pointed out, almost no (electric) guitarist
> wants to send a digital signal from their instrument directly to a
> mixer. almost everyone wants to "move air" via their chosen
> amp/speaker combo and then mic it with their chosen mic before passing
>
Although, interestingly enough, it would probably be easier to implement
a Band-in-a-Box like program on Linux than on other operating systems
(provided one had both the necessary jazz expertise and the time - both
very big assumptions). You could probably use PD or jMax for this sort
of thing (a
greetings,
As the not-so-proud owner of an SBLive card, I thought I'd chime in.
Your project sounds really cool, and I'm all in favor of highly
unorthodox ideas. I'd be very interested in hearing the result, and if
you do write some code, I'd love to see it. But please, do your
Paul Davis wrote:
> it will be in ardour by the end of the day. i am even considering
> adding direct support for a cd-burning sub-process (e.g. using
> cdrecord or cdrdao).
>
> --p
ROCK ON
You might look into jMax and PD. jMax handles its actual DSP code
through a library called FTS that can be separated from the Java-based
jMax GUI.
-dgm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm thinking of writing some audio synthesis code - I want to play
> around with some ideas raised by the
Mark Constable wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:42, n++k wrote:
> > [n++k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > ...
> > | merci.
> > |
> > | sir you have no clue.
>
> That is quite likely as I have only recently discovered the power
> of using python and OpenGL (blows me away) and I'm hoping like crazy
> to
Steve Harris wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:21:01PM +0100, Do you know if its
> posible to build a soundfield type mic using cheap elements, or does it
> require really good ones?
>
> - Steve
I read somewhere that you can buy a pair of cheapo PZM mics, and then
mount them on a piece of f
While on the subject of the relative merits of various audio interfaces,
I'd like to pose a question. I'm looking to replace my SBLive with a
"pro" device. Basically, it boils down to an RME Hammerfall or a Delta
1010. I've done my homework on the two cards, but I've never seen
either of them i
Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > 3) Most people would have no idea how to say "LAIC"
> Laic - of or relating to the laity - all those who are not members of a
> profession or specialized field. I think it should be a symbolic word
> for how LAAGA/JACK works (see above). It should not be a problem
> for t
I admit to not having seen benchmarks, but is QT really faster than
GTK? At least on my system, GNOME (GTK) seems to run faster than KDE
(QT), but I suppose that's not completely toolkit-dependent.
FLAMEBAIT ALERT: But seriously, wouldn't the time and effort occupied by
porting Ardour to QT be
Szervusz Mate!
I wouldn't worry to much about the lawsuit. After all, there's so much
GPL'd software out there already which attempts to replace or surpass
the functionality of proprietary software that there's no way the big
names can go after it all. (Is Linus afraid of a lawsuit from Microsoft
> If artists avoid to get contracts with this media industry, this industry will
> eventually be useless. We made them as powerful as they are today, only
> we can take away their power again.
> If artists and consumers are happy (as it seems today) I see no way out
> except for some niches.
>
Is anyone planning on picking this up? I'd do it myself if I had a)
time and b) better coding skills. BC2K is/was a fine piece of work.
Ruben Merz wrote:
>
> Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some people may go on with the
> previous GPL code...
>
> RUben
>
> > Greetings:
> >
> > Se
I don't know of anything exactly like Lisa (a very cool program, I
agree), but you might check out TerminatorX. AFAIK, it only handles
pre-recorded soundfiles (unlike Lisa, which can handle real-time input),
put you can "scratch" the files like virtual turntables and map mouse
movements to a vari
> Would anyone be interested in this stuff?
I don't think I'm alone in saying that I would be very interested in
this stuff.
-dgm
I dont really have the time
> to work on it any more but if anyone thinks they could use any of it
> I'll see if I can resurrect it (should be able to GPL it I think
Greetings Benno and others,
Could you possibly post or email me your configuration files for alsa
0.9b5? I also have an SBlive and would like to use the most recent
alsa, but have been a little intimidated in getting it set up. Thanks,
dgm
Benno Senoner wrote:
>
> Hello,
> first thank you guy
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