Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > >> This means that you could be having small xruns all the time! Of course, > >> really long breaks are always audible, but shorter ones are sometimes > >> quite subtle. Still, you are losing audio da

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kai Vehmanen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> This means that you could be having small xruns all the time! Of course, >> really long breaks are always audible, but shorter ones are sometimes >> quite subtle. Still, you are losing audio data. > I guess so. But its not necesarrily very import

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > >> This means that you could be having small xruns all the time! Of course, > >> really long breaks are always audible, but shorter ones are sometimes > >> quite subtle. Still, you are losing audio data. > >> > >I guess so. But its not necesarrily very im

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > > they did, I suspect that they'd get similar performance to pd. it > would be interesting to hear how pd works with, say, a period size of > 1024 and a buffer size of 2048 (i.e. 2 mid-size periods) instead of > lots of small periods. > Pd wont run with

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > I'm at work now, and we ~only have delta cards. At home I use a built-in > > sound-card on an nforce chipset. But I get nearly the same good > > performance in pd here as at home. So here is delta44

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kai Vehmanen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > I'm at work now, and we ~only have delta cards. At home I use a built-in > sound-card on an nforce chipset. But I get nearly the same good > performance in pd here as at home. So here is delta44 parameters: But how do you know you are not losing

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > >Hmm, this is quite interesting. With a period size of 64 frames, > >you'd get quite a lot of context switches with jackd. Kjetil, does > >your ipc-lib make the context switches this often? > > > >Another interesting this is how this high interrupt freque

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kai Vehmanen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > no, there's likely not much latency jitter in pd either. after the > first 27 periods are filled (which happens in about 39ms), every chunk > of audio delivered by pd to the hardware will be output by the > hardware about 38ms later. the jitter is limited t

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > > this is still pretty long, and as you note, pd is not subject to > > per-period time limits with this configuration. it can take too long > > on up to 26 of 27 periods before there is an xrun. > > Hmm, this is quite interesting. With a period size of

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kai Vehmanen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: >>> period_size: 64 >>> buffer_size: 1728 > >So I guess this explains a lot. This equals to running jackd > >with "-p 64 -n 27" (and not as root or otherwise it will throw clients Well, this is still true. >>well. And this has its reasons. With a setup li

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > >> What does "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0[cp]/sub0/[hs]w_params" output > > I'm at work now, and we ~only have delta cards. At home I use a built-in > > sound-card on an nforce chipset. But I get near

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-24 Thread Kai Vehmanen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> What does "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0[cp]/sub0/[hs]w_params" output > I'm at work now, and we ~only have delta cards. At home I use a built-in > sound-card on an nforce chipset. But I get nearly the same good > performance in pd here as at home.

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-23 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > >> for myself, because its already possible to run pd as a JACK client, > >> the only interesting thing that i see in this effort is a push to ask > >> the question: does pd in fact run much better than JACK at the same > >> latency/buffer settings, and i

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-22 Thread Kjetil S. Matheussen
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Paul Davis wrote: > for myself, because its already possible to run pd as a JACK client, > the only interesting thing that i see in this effort is a push to ask > the question: does pd in fact run much better than JACK at the same > latency/buffer settings, and if so, why? >

Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: [PD-announce] Re: [linux-audio-dev] ANN:k_jack v0.0.0.5 and Mammut v0.15

2003-01-22 Thread Francois Dechelle
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:21, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > 2. It was a provocation. :) > > For two years (or somethings), people have complained about the bad > performance of the jack system. And I don't think it has been solved. I > dont know about alsa; and doesn't understand the driver-c