On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 11:50:29AM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> Great, well, I made the observation that the intelligentsia have
> microscopic genitalia. (What, you want my data? Surely you jest.)
> Ergo, the smarter a person claims to be, the greater the magnification
> they require at the urinal
At Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:36:26 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> What is "normal" ?
Why do you think I put it in "quotes?"
> I have an increasing difficulty in just understanding what you try
> to say. Could you explain the terms
No.
> - crow-magnon (sic) music
I'm amazed that your purportedly
At Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:41:17 +0100,
Dave Griffiths wrote:
>
> "I HAVE to understand everything about an interface in 5 SECONDS!"
> attitude to gui design. People can learn things, it's part of
> playing music on real instruments - why can't it be part of playing
> computer instruments?
I simply d
On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 02:36, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> I made the observation that educated people usually do not mind having
> to learn something. So if there is a widespread aversion to having to
> learn and read a manual, that seems to indicate that education levels
> have gone down.
I
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 09:36:26AM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> I made the observation that educated people usually do not mind having
> to learn something. So if there is a widespread aversion to having to
> learn and read a manual, that seems to indicate that education levels
> have gone do
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 01:41:17AM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> Having worked professionally on related things, I just can't stand the
> "I HAVE to understand everything about an interface in 5 SECONDS!"
> attitude to gui design. People can learn things, it's part of playing
> music on real inst
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 01:33:59AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> Designing for usability is not rocket science. For the phone example,
> the options (in decreasing order of desirability) are:
>
> 1. A self-explanatory pictorial representation.
> 2. A text label.
> 3. An incomprehe
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200,
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > > so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon
> > > music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results
> > > will speak for them
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 23:15, Pete Bessman wrote:
> At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200,
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Dave Griffiths said something above about "hiding functionality for
> the users to find." That, to, is just wrong. This isn't a videogame
> or Where's Waldo.
heh heh, funnily enoug
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 11:09:06PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > You again.
>
> Yes, me. I was told by some members of this list only a few days
> ago that sarcasm was OK.
Where did I say I would have problems with sarcasm?
But the use of sarcasm doesn't make your comment any bit
more
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:23, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > I think this is a lot of the reason European (especially Dutch) design
> > is so much more advanced than American. In the States, a fire exit sign
> > says 'EXIT'. In the Netherla
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> > so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon
> > music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results
> > will speak for themselves.
>
> They do, but maybe not in the direction you imagined. And cro
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> >
> > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > > he would not
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> >
> > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > > he would not even expect is n
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:15:24PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote:
> I have a very simple request for everybody who loathes
> "plug-and-drool" usability: show me the tunes. That's all. Lemme
> hear the avant garde music enabled by avant garde interfaces
The most avant-garde music is enabled by very
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about
> > functionality he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that* far
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:09, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> > for a full app?
>
> I think there is a danger here of being too conserv
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that* far ?
It is
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:09:24PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> > for a full app?
>
> I think there is a danger here of bein
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single
> widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean
> for a full app?
I think there is a danger here of being too conservative - something I
think existing commercial software does (in
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
> > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> > he would not even expect is not an option.
>
> Have education levels gone down *that*
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality
> he would not even expect is not an option.
Have education levels gone down *that* far ?
--
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:54:20 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> >
> > I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie
> > no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it
> > wa
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote:
>
> I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie
> no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it
> was there to begin with - but transparent graphics like that are expe
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:09 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote:
> >
> > Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
...
> Well, the scaling issue was not obvious to me, I needed to
> read about it somewhere, but afterwards
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote:
>
> Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
>
> If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer,
> maybe sporting arrows in the directions to move the mouse would make two
> things obviou
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On Thursday 10 June 2004 03:03, Tim Hockin wrote:
> Radial is confusing to people.
Radial movement on control elements often confuses me.
If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer,
maybe sporting arrows in the direc
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