Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-17 Thread Takashi Iwai
At 16 Oct 2003 21:04:01 +0300, Jussi Laako wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:33, Paul Davis wrote: yes, sure, so the docs could be better and make it easier for you to find out how to do this. but the point was that OSS offers *no* xrun control. xruns can't be detected in user space alone

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-16 Thread Jussi Laako
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 23:33, Paul Davis wrote: yes, sure, so the docs could be better and make it easier for you to find out how to do this. but the point was that OSS offers *no* xrun control. xruns can't be detected in user space alone (even in the kernel, its not 100% reliable in the face

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-16 Thread Fred Gleason
On Thursday 16 October 2003 14:04, Jussi Laako wrote: SuSE is doing OK on the installation area, but their biggest problem is hacking the ALSA into their kernel, making it pretty difficult to change the kernel while keeping ALSA stuff in their distro working. I've been running SuSE since 7.3,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread ljp
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:51, Paul Davis wrote: How about docs for the mixer interfaces? or a simple HOWTO. the mixer interface is a problem. OSS glosses over this by hiding 90% of the capabilities of most hardware mixers and stuffing it into an incredibly simplified model that then

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:26:07 -0700, Thomas Webb wrote: so, what are the apps that don't use JACK? (rhetorical question) rhetorical answer: ... VAZ Modular Heh. I can promise you that if Martin ported VAZ to Linux, he would support JACK. - Steve

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:26:07PM -0700, Thomas Webb wrote: Say you have 3 months to deliver an audio app for both windows and linux. If you take longer than that, you'll have to start going to work again or get evicted (I swear, this is a hypothetical situation ;P) JACK may or may not be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread Thomas Webb
This abstraction layer already exists and it's called PortAudio. Under those constraints I think you'd be nuts not to use it. I checked portaudio out and I actually like it. The only reason I'm not using it is because it doesn't have an abstraction for win mac plugin stuff like ReWire and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread Jussi Laako
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:51, Paul Davis wrote: assuming that your requirements are met by OSS's incredibly simplistic model of an audio device driver. need to control xrun detection? It took a long while before I found out how to disable the default stop-at-xrun behavior. My app needs to be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:51, Paul Davis wrote: assuming that your requirements are met by OSS's incredibly simplistic model of an audio device driver. need to control xrun detection? It took a long while before I found out how to disable the default stop-at-xrun behavior. My app needs to be

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Love Bucket
Paul Davis wrote: OSS is dead. You should not be writing apps with OSS. Well, at least OSS has a programmer's guide (PDF file): http://www.opensound.com/pguide/oss.pdf Where is the equivalent for ALSA? Until it exists, we will continue using OSS! __ Do you

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Taybin Rutkin
Defiant until the very end. Almost admirable. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/ Taybin -Original Message- From: Love Bucket [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 14, 2003 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ??? Paul Davis wrote: OSS

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Davis
OSS is dead. You should not be writing apps with OSS. Well, at least OSS has a programmer's guide (PDF file): http://www.opensound.com/pguide/oss.pdf For ALSA Initial HOWTO's: http://www.suse.de/~mana/alsa090_howto.html http://equalarea.com/paul/alsa-audio.html Reference manual

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Takashi Iwai
] Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ??? Paul Davis wrote: OSS is dead. You should not be writing apps with OSS. Well, at least OSS has a programmer's guide (PDF file): http://www.opensound.com/pguide/oss.pdf Where is the equivalent for ALSA? Until it exists, we

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 09:41:14AM -0700, Love Bucket wrote: Where is the equivalent for ALSA? Until it exists, we will continue using OSS! http://www.alsa-project.org/documentation.php3 Or do you really want *.pdf ? There are tools for that. v

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread ljp
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 03:19, Paul Davis wrote: OSS is dead. You should not be writing apps with OSS. Well, at least OSS has a programmer's guide (PDF file): http://www.opensound.com/pguide/oss.pdf For ALSA Initial HOWTO's:

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Davis
How about docs for the mixer interfaces? or a simple HOWTO. the mixer interface is a problem. OSS glosses over this by hiding 90% of the capabilities of most hardware mixers and stuffing it into an incredibly simplified model that then prevents users from doing things that they can do under

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Thomas Webb
you're free to continue doing what you want but your software will not interoperate with other audio software, it will not work without card-specific hacks on various high-end audio interfaces, and at some point in the not very distant future, it will rely on ALSA's OSS emulation to run.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Davis
I believe fully in ALSA JACK, but I code in what is the best for the time being. At present, it's best to code for both ALSA and OSS. is JACK fully functional and ready for commercial programs? no. can you name any commercial audio applications for linux? which of them do you believe are in a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux VERSUS OSS ???

2003-10-14 Thread Thomas Webb
can you name any commercial audio applications for linux? which of them do you believe are in a better state than JACK is? not yet... but tying the success of your product to the progress of a relitavely new open source project is a bad idea in some cases. It depends on the timeframe and