Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-27 Thread Albert Graef
Jussi Laako wrote: Canvases give you much more than just rendering. They also manage the graphical objects that you created and, if anything changes, rerendering the changed parts happens automatically. That's usually bad and undesirable for any real time graphics rendering, like audio UIs oft

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Dave Robillard
On Sun, 2006-26-02 at 18:45 +0200, Jussi Laako wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 22:35 -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > > Interesting fact: there is nothing good about GnomeCanvas. > > Nothing. > > For any free form rendering I use Cairo or OpenGL nowadays. Better > performance and you get antialiased

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread fons adriaensen
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 01:16:17AM +0200, Jussi Laako wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 20:38 +0100, Albert Graef wrote: > > Canvases give you much more than just rendering. They also manage the > > graphical objects that you created and, if anything changes, rerendering > > the changed parts happ

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Jussi Laako
On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 20:38 +0100, Albert Graef wrote: > Canvases give you much more than just rendering. They also manage the > graphical objects that you created and, if anything changes, rerendering > the changed parts happens automatically. That's usually bad and undesirable for any real tim

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Albert Graef
Jussi Laako wrote: For any free form rendering I use Cairo or OpenGL nowadays. Better performance and you get antialiased lines etc practically for free. And what's most important, you don't have to care about pixel coordinates or resolutions anymore (esp. in OpenGL). Canvases give you much mor

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Jussi Laako
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 22:35 -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > Interesting fact: there is nothing good about GnomeCanvas. > Nothing. For any free form rendering I use Cairo or OpenGL nowadays. Better performance and you get antialiased lines etc practically for free. And what's most important, you do

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Richard Spindler
2006/2/26, Robert Jonsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As for other toolkits, there are soon as many as there are stars in the sky, > though most of them don't get installed on a standard system. I wonder how > widespread fltk is? I checked it out a very long time ago there was a lot of > things to like

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets

2006-02-26 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
Robert Jonsson wrote: >neither Gnome nor KDE are the right choices. The real choices here are QT or >GTK. The choice is simple for me, QT, but that's just me... > > There's also wxWidgets http://www.wxwidgets.org/whychoos.htm Emanuel

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-26 Thread Robert Jonsson
On Sunday 26 February 2006 08.11, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 16:56 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 13:15 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) > > > > Ah, the sign of a good programmer. :) > > > > > KDE

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Jan Depner
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 16:56 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 13:15 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) > > Ah, the sign of a good programmer. :) > > > KDE and Gnome both appear greedy to me. They both want me to use the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 22:29 -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > This is much less true of GNOME than KDE, FWIW. > Also before you spout off make sure you've tried a recent version, both desktops have been de-bloated a lot lately. Lee

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Dave Robillard
On Sun, 2006-26-02 at 01:17 +0100, Albert Graef wrote: > Yes, having a good canvas widget certainly helps, and Tk has a nice one. > The one in Gnocl provides a similar interface while it is based on GNOME > Canvas. (Looks like GNOME Canvas isn't liked very much by some, but I > found it to be qu

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Dave Robillard
On Sat, 2006-25-02 at 13:15 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > I'm a programmer = I'm lazy = I don't want to write printing dialogs, or > > VFS support, especially since it's already provided by gnome. > > Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) > > I think widgets are a GOOD thi

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Carlo Capocasa
>>for (int i=0;i> cout << i << endl; > > > Shouldn't you put parentheses around on or the other of those > left shift operators? :-) What atrociously obscure communication method have you loaded into your mind? This is C++! > let rec intersect lst = > function > [] -> [] >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Albert Graef wrote: > /me wrote: > > To make this thread go totally off-topic, here's the same in Q: > > Sorry, I forgot one equation: > > intersect Xs [] = []; > intersect Xs [Y|Ys] = [Y|intersect Xs Ys] if any (=Y) Xs; > = intersect Xs Ys otherwise; Ah yeah, like Hask

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Albert Graef
/me wrote: To make this thread go totally off-topic, here's the same in Q: Sorry, I forgot one equation: intersect Xs [] = []; intersect Xs [Y|Ys] = [Y|intersect Xs Ys] if any (=Y) Xs; = intersect Xs Ys otherwise; -- Dr. Albert Gr"af Dept. of Music-Informatics, Univers

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Albert Graef
cdr wrote: since this thread is so GTK+-centric i'll chime in and say ive found nothing i like for easily creating customized/flexible GUIs more than Tcl/Tk [...] Not to forget there's also Gnocl which lets you program Gnome and GTK+ applications in Tcl: http://www.dr-baum.net/gnocl/ I've a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Albert Graef
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: for (int i=0;i Shouldn't you put parentheses around on or the other of those left shift operators? :-) Now, << was left-associative, wasn't it? Or was it? ;-) If you want pristine beauty, you should have a look the function to find the intersection of two lists in

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Ah, the sign of a good programmer. :) > > There are actually people who still count, when > > for (int i=0;i cout << i << endl; Shouldn't you put parentheses around on or the other of those left shift operators? :-) > is in itself a work of pristine beauty, immen

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread cdr
> > Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) since this thread is so GTK+-centric i'll chime in and say ive found nothing i like for easily creating customized/flexible GUIs more than Tcl/Tk and Ruby-on-Rails. both tools allow me to do exactly what i want with minimal fuss - i

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Carlo Capocasa
> Ah, the sign of a good programmer. :) There are actually people who still count, when for (int i=0;i It's true that with KDE you are marrying into KDE's family with bastard > cousins like ksycoca, kdeinit, klauncher etc. But this isn't true with > gnome. Well I'm not kissing gnomecanvas. >>T

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Carlo Capocasa
> Motif is pretty old and full featured, but it's PITA to use, IMO... Okay, correction. GTK is the oldest full featured toolkit around you can use without gradually going blind.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Sampo Savolainen
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 13:15 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) Ah, the sign of a good programmer. :) > KDE and Gnome both appear greedy to me. They both want me to use their > system and hence, tell me how to use my computer. Very little care

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Jussi Laako
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 12:39 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Personally, I'd love to see more GTK2 apps around. > > I think it's the oldest *full featured* toolkit around and I think even > the bloat is bearable (just keep your hands off anything that says 'Gnome') Motif is pretty old and full feat

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Carlo Capocasa
> I'm a programmer = I'm lazy = I don't want to write printing dialogs, or > VFS support, especially since it's already provided by gnome. Heh, I'm only a novice programmer, and I'm already lazy :) I think widgets are a GOOD thing. I also think modularity is a good thing. KDE and Gnome both app

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Sampo Savolainen
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 12:39 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Personally, I'd love to see more GTK2 apps around. > > I think it's the oldest *full featured* toolkit around and I think even > the bloat is bearable (just keep your hands off anything that says 'Gnome') /me starts a flamewar Even the p

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-25 Thread Carlo Capocasa
Personally, I'd love to see more GTK2 apps around. I think it's the oldest *full featured* toolkit around and I think even the bloat is bearable (just keep your hands off anything that says 'Gnome') Carlo

[linux-audio-dev] Re: Which widgets?

2006-02-24 Thread Loki Davison
On 2/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all. > > I've always steered clear of writing GUIs, so my experience is pretty > limited. But now I find myself needing a toolkit/widget set. > > What's recommended? I'd prefer not to have to move my app from C to > C++ just to impl