Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Davis
>Also, with much of the audio/desktop stuff still under development, I >experienced much less of the linux/server stability... > >Some months ago, the alsa driver would freeze my system whenever I tried >to use the sequencer interface. More recently, the dri-driver for my >radeon keeps doing the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-13 Thread Len Moskowitz
"Richard Bown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know about "many" but it's happened to me. I've looked for > > software engineers to assist in developing a Linux-based audio > > product and had difficulty finding development/consulting help. And > > this was for a funded project. > > Yeah

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-13 Thread Christian Henz
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:48:00PM -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > > D R Holsbeck wrote: > > >I guess stability is not an issue? > > > It's not the potential drawing card that it once was. OSX is as stable > as Linux, and even 'doze XP is getting there, from what I hear. > -dgm > Also,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel]help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread D R Holsbeck
Well considering OSX runs on top of BSD I am not surprised. As for windoze XP, I dont see it, maybe if you compare it to the rest of the windoze long line of garbage. But that would not take much, though DOS was pretty stable ;-) On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 20:48, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > > D R H

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Knecht
that's not really what i meant. anybody who has read this list over a reasonably period of time or who conducts a rudimentary lookup on my name using google will very rapidly get the impression that i'm probably available for any consulting projects related to linux, audio and MIDI. and indeed,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Steve Harris
Or price? Hopefully it should be possible for vendors (including Paul :) to ship preconfigured linux boxes with wodges of software and without any licensing costs. - Steve On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 12:28:28 -0600, D R Holsbeck wrote: > I guess stability is not an issue? > > > To attract commerci

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Davis
>> nobody has ever offered or even talked about hiring me as an >> employee. only 2 companies have talked about using me as a >> consultant. i think its reasonable to conclude that the offers of work >> are not out there at this point in time. > >For DAW applications, you're probably right. that's

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Richard Bown
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 17:05, Len Moskowitz wrote: > To attract commercial attention, a Linux audio application would have > to offer either a unique feature (or group of features) that's > commercially attractive or a significant customer base unreached by > Windows/OS products. I don't thi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Davis
>> I don't know about "many" but it's happened to me. I've looked for >> software engineers to assist in developing a Linux-based audio >> product and had difficulty finding development/consulting help. And >> this was for a funded project. > >Yeah so you keep on saying but when I send you an ema

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Richard Bown
On Tuesday 12 November 2002 16:00, Len Moskowitz wrote: > I don't know about "many" but it's happened to me. I've looked for > software engineers to assist in developing a Linux-based audio > product and had difficulty finding development/consulting help. And > this was for a funded project. Ye

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Len Moskowitz
"Paul Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > nobody has ever offered or even talked about hiring me as an > employee. only 2 companies have talked about using me as a > consultant. i think its reasonable to conclude that the offers of work > are not out there at this point in time. For DAW applications, yo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Len Moskowitz
"Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...Are you saying you can't > find developers to hire? Or are you saying you only want to hire them for > the duration of the project design? The former take a real monetary > commitment to put people on staff. That's pretty difficult financially. Most a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Len Moskowitz
"Simon Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But where would they have been now if they had taken the fully > open route? Somewhere better? Somewhere worse? Where could > a hypothetical competitor who started now, from scratch, with a > fully open model get to? Would they catch up and overtake? Wo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-12 Thread Len Moskowitz
"Taybin Rutkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that it's a prime cause. I'd say that it takes a company with > > commercial interests to see a product through development to the point where > > it is ready to release to customers for sale. > > We must be misunderstanding each other. You

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-10 Thread G. M. Bodnar
Paul Davis is on permanent record as saying: : :and lets suppose they did so. how many extra units would they actually :sell? my guess is less than a dozen or so in a given year. notice that :i said "extra". the chameleon doesn't run linux, we're talking about :developers who want to work on linux

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>If they're unable or unwilling to tell the difference between "free >software" and "software that is written for free" then there's >probably never going to be a linux sdk for their hardware. Its just >too specialised and complex for someone to do it for free, or to >modify anything that's already

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>Yep, this is what the whole Embedded Linux market is about, and the model >works in the audio area quite well. Look at DigiDesign with Pro Tools. Thee >isn't a reason that they couldn't offer PTLE here if they can offer it on OS >X, right? as i've mentioned previously, if you take a look at ardou

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread John Lazzaro
> Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > OS X is a major challenge to the linux audio religious faithful. It's an opportunity, too, though -- there's a segment of the Mac population that can barely justify the cost premium for Mac hardware, because they use the hardware for recreation or avoca

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Mark Knecht
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-audio-dev-admin@;music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of Simon Jenkins Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter] If they're unable or unwilling to tell

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>> Not to be sarcastic, but I'm pretty sure that LAD programmers refusing >> offers of work isn't the cause of the lack of linux-based audio products. > >I think that it's a prime cause. I'd say that it takes a company with >commercial interests to see a product through development to the point wh

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>>Like the soundart chamelon http://www.soundart-hot.com/ [ ... ] >That's exactly the kind of hardware I was thinking of... and exactly the >kind of >business model I *wasn't* thinking of. > >Maybe they, or someone like them, could sell more hardware if they "let go" >of the software? (They'd

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread CK
Thanks paul, I have this problem once in a while as a die hard opensource fan I didn't go out and buy software for years now and - a point that even in the linux community many people don't seem to understand - not because I'm a cheap- skate or ex-w4r3z kid that doesn't understand how commercial s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>Another way a company can make money off free software is to >embed it, with suitable modification, in custom hardware. > >Audio-related examples might include things like: [ ... ] >When enough end-user linux audio apps are "ready for prime-time" >somebody should be able to make a lot of mone

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Paul Davis
>I really dont see much point in going from using Logic on a Mac to Logic >on Linux. for MacOS pre-X, stability and performance would be a great pair of reasons to do this. but now that OS X is here, and apps like logic are more or less available for it, no, i don't see much point in doing that ei

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Steve Harris
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 07:15:02AM +, Simon Jenkins wrote: > Audio-related examples might include things like: > > Making a multi effects rack unit with pro-audio i/o, a heap of DSP > power, front panel display and controls, and filling it with the > pick of the available open source algorith

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Steve Harris
OTOH On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 07:06:47PM -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > I would shell out for a fully-functional version of Ardour if Paul > decided to charge $400 for it, I doubt that many people > who are not already running Linux would be. Hell yeah. If it was still GPLd, and especially

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-09 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 07:06:47PM -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > But at this point, much as I prefer free software, I'd be willing to > plop down $400 USD for a Linux version of > Logic. PT, Cubase, or Cakewalk. OK, thats interesting, but I wouldn't. One of the reasons I use linux for aud

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 07:06:47PM -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > not true. And of course, there is the whole (somewhat > discredited by present economic circumstances) argument that you *can* > make money of off free software. there are some business models that seem to work. Zope Corpor

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 03:18:54PM -0500, Len Moskowitz wrote: > I think that it's a prime cause. I'd say that it takes a company with > commercial interests to see a product through development to the point where > it is ready to release to customers for sale. Who are these audio companies that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:45:30 -0500, Taybin Rutkin wrote: > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Len Moskowitz wrote: > > > My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination to > > offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, it's > > likely that more Linux-based

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Mark Knecht
ECTED] Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter] Taybin wrote: > > My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination to > > offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, it's >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Len Moskowitz wrote: > Taybin wrote: > > > > My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination > to > > > offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, > it's > > > likely that more Linux-based audio products would come to market

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Len Moskowitz
Taybin wrote: > > My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination to > > offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, it's > > likely that more Linux-based audio products would come to market. > > Not to be sarcastic, but I'm pretty sure that LAD

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Len Moskowitz wrote: > My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination to > offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, it's > likely that more Linux-based audio products would come to market. Not to be sarcastic, but I'm pre

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-11-08 Thread Len Moskowitz
Patrick Shirkey wrote: > So what products would core-sound be willing to invest in? This is a topic better discussed privately. My point was that if Linux audio developers had the time and inclination to offer their design and/or consulting services to commercial companies, it's likely that more

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-30 Thread Patrick Shirkey
>IMO it would be much better if the link to details about the card would >not say "Install' but instead indicate that details about the card can >be found there (alsa soundcard matrix), I mean the column is named >appropriately drivers&docs but the item in column is always 'Install'. >It has most

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 02:00:54PM -0400, Len Moskowitz wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't understand this exchange. What's being offered? > > Compensation for assistance with Linux audio-related product development. What a radical concept! :-} too bad /me is too busy with endles

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-25 Thread Len Moskowitz
Paul Winkler wrote: > Sorry, I didn't understand this exchange. What's being offered? Compensation for assistance with Linux audio-related product development. > Nice to see you here, Len. Thanks -- nice to see you too, Paul. > (We met at that NYLXS audio-related meeting a while back. > Geez,

Re: [Alsa-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re:[Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-25 Thread Kai Vehmanen
Takashi, thanks for these corrections! It'd be great to see yet more reports about successes, failures, suspected problems, etc, etc concerning different soundcards and chipsets on alsa-user (and other lists)! It's much easier to make purchasing decisions if you know that at least someone has ha

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:54:40AM -0400, Len Moskowitz wrote: > > Are you making an offer? ;) > > Yes, I am now and I have in the past. It's not easy to find takers. Sorry, I didn't understand this exchange. What's being offered? Nice to see you here, Len. (We met at that NYLXS audio-related m

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-25 Thread Len Moskowitz
Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >People here invest their time and effort (but usually not money for > >promotion), mostly because they're techies who want to to build > >something that they really need/want. Businesses invest money for > >another reason, because they want to develop and promote comm

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-24 Thread Peter L Jones
On Thursday 24 Oct 2002 18:32, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Peter L Jones wrote: [snip] > > > > I don't want to have to learn about DSPs and stuff to be able to identify > > a _good_ sound card. I've currently got a shortlist for my next machine: > > * MidiMan Delta Audiophil

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread Patrick Shirkey
> this is what's on the page: >Creative Labs | Soundblaster Live Platinum | EMU10K1 | Install | >(4)[A][B] > bottom of the page: > >(4) Hardware mixing supported > >... > >NOTE: Just because an I/O is listed does NOT mean it is guaranteed to >be supported. Please check the mailing >list archi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread Patrick Shirkey
>> Plus the sound matrix at >> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ doesn't say there are problems >>getting docs from manufacturer. >Perhaps someone should add a note. I thin there is right at the bottom of the page. But I will make a more noticible note. > professional system or not, I wou

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread Peter L Jones
On Tuesday 22 Oct 2002 22:10, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Peter L Jones wrote: > > When I run latencytest0.42-png from [EMAIL PROTECTED], I get about 99% > > sub 2ms latency. But jack still complains of xruns of about 50ms. > > There's something here I'm simply failing to understan

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread STEFFL, ERIK (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: Patrick Shirkey [mailto:pshirkey@;boosthardware.com] > Eric wrote: > >it is also pretty much useless for general users. I mean if I can't > >listen to mp3 and browse the web at the same time ... > (without sound > >servers which were discussed recently and

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread STEFFL, ERIK (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: Peter L Jones [mailto:peter@;drealm.org.uk] > On Tuesday 22 Oct 2002 20:27, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > >All these things just make life _easier_. I want to get on with > > >developing code, not wondering why my hardware isn't performing. I > >

Re: [Alsa-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-23 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:07:22 +0300 (EEST), Kai Vehmanen wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Peter L Jones wrote: > > > I don't want to have to learn about DSPs and stuff to be able to identify a > > _good_ sound card. I've currently got a shortlist for my next machine: > > * MidiMan Delta Audioph

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 04:26:41PM -0700, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:15:39PM -0400, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > > I can certainly sympathize with that one. Supposedly there is some work > > being done on supporting > > USB audio devices under ALSA; that may be our best ho

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:15:39PM -0400, David Gerard Matthews wrote: > I can certainly sympathize with that one. Supposedly there is some work > being done on supporting > USB audio devices under ALSA; that may be our best hope. (Yes, I know > USB has potentially > horrible latency. ) There

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Davis
>Then explain it this way, and do not contradict yourself by initially >saying Jack will never replace other sound daemons, and then mention yes, i think i wrote contradictory things. i sometimes do that. my original point was that JACK was not *intended* to replace other sound daemons. its design

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Davis
>> When I run latencytest0.42-png from [EMAIL PROTECTED], I get about 99% sub >> 2ms latency. But jack still complains of xruns of about 50ms. There's >> something here I'm simply failing to understand... but I don't know where to > > >Are you running JACK as root with "-R" or with "-R --asio"

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Peter L Jones
On Tuesday 22 Oct 2002 20:27, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Peter wrote: > >All these things just make life _easier_. I want to get on with > >developing code, not wondering why my hardware isn't performing. I > >don't _want_ to have to learn _that_ part of the system. Because I'll > >only need to d

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> > JACK *isn't* intended for general use, and i get tired of > > suggestions that it should be. and then later... > the reason for not doing this is that there isn't manpower to do it. i > am focused on JACK as the engine for a set of apps that i want to be > able use (and i want others to be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Anthony
* Kai Vehmanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Oct 22 02 16:09]: > - snd-intel8x0 (nice chipset, is suitable for low-latency use) Actually, I've had terrible results with this. It could be due to the fact that it got pushed to a higher IRQ by my other card, however. --ant

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Peter L Jones
On Tuesday 22 Oct 2002 12:55, Kai Vehmanen wrote: [snip] > > JACK is not yet finished, and it has some definite usability issues > > that need to be resolved. but it is not, and i hope will never be > > (primarily) a general purpose sound server. > > In other words, development&testing help is welc

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread STEFFL, ERIK (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: Kai Vehmanen [mailto:kai.vehmanen@;wakkanet.fi] > > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Conrad Parker wrote: > > > it might save you some hassles if you changed the intro to > jack's web > > pages, which currently read: > > > > JACK is a low-latency audio server, writt

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Peter L Jones
On Tuesday 22 Oct 2002 17:42, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 11:14:52AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > > I can't answer this properly, but there is some issue to with mmap mode I > > believe. It is a very small number of cards that dont work. > > We should compile a list of them, and m

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 11:14:52AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > I can't answer this properly, but there is some issue to with mmap mode I > believe. It is a very small number of cards that dont work. We should compile a list of them, and maybe put it in the JACK FAQ. --PW -- Paul Winkler "Welco

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Len Moskowitz
Patrick wrote: > >If you will be making money from a Linux-based product, then you > >*should* be investing your own money for promotion. > > I am. What's your point? Other people (people who are not in business) need not and likely won't invest money to promote Linux Audio. People here invest

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Davis
>> > all, you basically have a box that wouldn't run an ASIO device >driver >> > under windows or macos. > >So, in essence Jack is yet another ASIO wannabe. If I wanted ASIO, I'd >be working on Windows or MacOS. does it occur to you that there might actually be something *good* about ASIO? that JA

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread STEFFL, ERIK (SBCSI)
> -Original Message- > From: Joshua Haberman [mailto:joshua@;haberman.com] > > "Paul Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >So why, having studied the docs, am I completely stumped > with jack? It > > >refuses to play. I don't consider any solution based on a > piece of software > >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Paul Davis
>> JACK *isn't* intended for general use, and i get tired of suggestions >> that it should be. there are lots of people working on solutions for >> "general use". JACK is intended for people who are serious about >> audio. > >I'd like to add that not all JACK developers are as strict about this as

Re: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 10/22/2002 - 04:46:47, Richard Bown said: > On Monday 21 October 2002 20:21, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > But am I just wasting my breath because the Agnula crew are going to > > do all the work for us? > > Oh well _now_ you come on to my pet subject. > > > Anyone from the Agnula project have a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 08:51:01 -0700, Joshua Haberman wrote: > I fully understand that crappy consumer interfaces are not going to be > able to run JACK with 128 frames per period, but surely any card could > handle JACK if you bumped that size high enough. Is there any reason > that a particula

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-22 Thread Richard Bown
On Monday 21 October 2002 20:21, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > But am I just wasting my breath because the Agnula crew are going to > do all the work for us? Oh well _now_ you come on to my pet subject. > Anyone from the Agnula project have a position on this? A while ago I got involved in a flamespa

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > of good PRO apps (contrary to your definition of OSS-based "toys" in one > of your previous e-mails) do not, and will not support it (i.e. RTcmix) > [either due to fact the apps are not being constantly updated any more, > or maybe the developers are skep

RE: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Paul Davis wrote: > > > >So why, having studied the docs, am I completely stumped with jack? It > > >refuses to play. I don't consider any solution based on a piece of > software > > >_I_ can't operate suitable for general use. > > > > JACK *isn't* intended for general use,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Joshua Haberman
"Paul Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So why, having studied the docs, am I completely stumped with jack? It > >refuses to play. I don't consider any solution based on a piece of software > >_I_ can't operate suitable for general use. > > JACK *isn't* intended for general use, and i get t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread cliffw
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:53:14 +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Some of us have really been trying for a while now. I think they would > > have to do something if they were overwhelmed with success stories from > > our community. But that requires people to pull finger and actually > > writ

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Conrad Parker
Hi Paul, it might save you some hassles if you changed the intro to jack's web pages, which currently read: JACK is a low-latency audio server, written primarily for the GNU/Linux operating system. It can connect a number of different applications to an audio device, as well as allowi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Paul Davis
>So why, having studied the docs, am I completely stumped with jack? It >refuses to play. I don't consider any solution based on a piece of software >_I_ can't operate suitable for general use. JACK *isn't* intended for general use, and i get tired of suggestions that it should be. there are l

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-21 Thread Peter L Jones
On Sunday 20 Oct 2002 21:38, Kai Vehmanen wrote: > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Peter L Jones wrote: > > I also want to be able to do this on my current machine, a Celeron > > 400. Jack won't run - my machine's too slow. MPlayer won't run - my > > machine's too > > As for JACK requiring a +400Mhz machine

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-19 Thread Tom
> > >The occasionaly discussed jack session > > > saving gizmo would be a knock dead feature. > > > > And any offering to the general public that doesn't contain this feature > > will probably end up just plain dead. Be patient. > > > I'm not a patient man ;) I didn't mean you. I meant th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-19 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 11:42:34 -0700, Tom wrote: > > Things like jack have to be graphically wrappered or hidden too, no > > scrolling text windows of xruns. The occasionaly discussed jack session > > saving gizmo would be a knock dead feature. > > And any offering to the general public that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Tom
> Things like jack have to be graphically wrappered or hidden too, no > scrolling text windows of xruns. The occasionaly discussed jack session > saving gizmo would be a knock dead feature. And any offering to the general public that doesn't contain this feature will probably end up just plain

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Paul Davis
>Maybe, but the people I'm thinking of are looking for a replacement for >thier protools+logic systems, not cubase or cakewalk. > >Home users are important too, but... > >> It's probably up to the bread and butter products to drive the bespoke, >> studio-end products. The complete, finished solut

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 04:49:43 +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > We launched RG from a desktop icon all last week. It now has > Logic-style status messages on the splash screen while you're waiting > for it to start and (while they can be a little naff) touches like that > are give it a profession

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 04:50:18 +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > Things like jack have to be graphically wrappered or hidden too, no > > scrolling text windows of xruns. The occasionaly discussed jack session > > saving gizmo would be a knock dead feature. > > mmm a jack controller app that you c

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Dave Griffiths
> Things like jack have to be graphically wrappered or hidden too, no > scrolling text windows of xruns. The occasionaly discussed jack session > saving gizmo would be a knock dead feature. mmm a jack controller app that you could configure (with a mouse) start jack and check the current state, us

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Richard Bown
On Friday 18 October 2002 15:49, Steve Harris wrote: > Notice the future tense. I dont think its a good idea now, better to > wait 'til we have a nice bunch of jack'd (+ alsa midi/whatever), > stable, documented apps, all playing well together than put people > off with the kind of stuff we're pre

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:55:28 +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > > I see your point. But feel that the problem is not that it is too > > difficult or ugly for the majority of people but that we have not > > done a good enough job of showing how worthwhile it is to spend long > > hours on figuring out

[linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Patrick Shirkey
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Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Richard Bown
On Friday 18 October 2002 13:51, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I see your point. But feel that the problem is not that it is too > difficult or ugly for the majority of people but that we have not > done a good enough job of showing how worthwhile it is to spend long > hours on figuring out how to get

[linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Patrick Shirkey wrote: While I was in Thailand I spent most of my time pondering how to make more impact. I have a few ideas which require serious investment of my time and energy. One of my ideas was to get a community fund for advertising in the correct publications. I know several people

[linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Patrick Shirkey
Richard Bown wrote: On Friday 18 October 2002 09:23, Richard Bown wrote: it's time that there was a clear distinction between Linux Sound/Audio and Linux for Music. The latter has a clearly defined marketplace, the former doesn't. Sorry, that's not quite right. The former does too, but it's

[linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem [was Re: [Alsa-devel] help for a levelmeter]

2002-10-18 Thread Richard Bown
On Friday 18 October 2002 09:23, Richard Bown wrote: > it's time that there was a clear distinction between Linux Sound/Audio > and Linux for Music. The latter has a clearly defined marketplace, > the former doesn't. Sorry, that's not quite right. The former does too, but it's just a little mor