RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
if you assume what i'm saying two paragraphs up is in some way accurate, then it makes sense that you should make software so good that it will make people want to switch (and once they switch to the audio software and are happy, motivating a switch to linux is easy). Well, that's what I am

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-23 Thread Thomas Hudson
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 10:46 AM, Ivica Bukvic wrote: Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and none of them have monopolistic agenda like Apple or M$. Nor do they use the open-source community efforts to promote their own commercial products. It is important to

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
How do you think the Linux kernel is being developed so fast? By enthusiatic developers with enough money to survive. Wrong. How do you think Linus will now dedicate full-time to developing kernel, from paypal contributions from other geeks? It's IBM, Redhat, and many other companies with

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
It is important to note some of Apple's contributions to the open source community besides darwin. Darwin was not developed by Apple. It's originally a project that was developed on Intel machines. Apple took it on since it had an acceptable license (BSD). Several compiler and debugger

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-23 Thread Fred Gleason
On Monday 23 June 2003 13:59, Ivica Bukvic wrote: However, no one has yet managed to propose an alternative that would resolve the dilemma that started the whole discussion -- ensuring that Linux-developed audio software primarily benefits Linux, not a non-related third-party OS that makes

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 08:22:37PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X world since there are no restrictions as to which platform this software is run on, and Apple

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:16:52 -0400 Ivica Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't see this as a problem. Do you mind saying why? Well people using libsndfile means that there are less people rolling their own buggy implementations. This eventually means that libsndfile has to handle

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread rm
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:46:30PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: So basically, you want to restrict the use of a software to a specific type of operating system? Like M$ does? Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and none of them have monopolistic agenda like Apple

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Paul Davis
I would love to hear from Paul Davis on this issue since he is one of the most involved contributors in this community when it comes to monetary dependence. Paul? at the point you wrote this, i was at about mile 142 of a 200 mile bicycle ride through north-western new jersey. i finished 2 hours

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:46:30PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: So basically, you want to restrict the use of a software to a specific type of operating system? Like M$ does? Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and none of them have monopolistic agenda like

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Guess what: your derived license would be incompatible with the GPL or any OSI license. You don't understand what free software is. Here you go again, yakking making conclusions on your own doctored facts. I never implied occlusion of the source code nor did I ever suggest that I've worked out

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread rm
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 11:25:58PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: I don't care about Linux. So what in the world are you doing on a _linux_ audio dev list? i wouldn't mind this being free-audio-dev list. although i think it would lose some of the technical focus on the particular intricacies of

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Perhaps we should make a mended version of GPL that would have exact permissions like the original GPL license, but in addition would ask that the software cannot be run on top of proprietary OS. This way, we Sorry, meant to say commercial OS since obviously one could run such software on OS X

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]t

2003-06-21 Thread Tim Hockin
In the end, we will not reap what we have sown. Users on the OS X will be theoretically able to run Ardour as much as we will, especially now that jackd has been ported to OS X. To me, this does not seem right. I guess I don't see it as a problem. Forcing people to use this or that software

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:22:37 -0400 Ivica Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X world since there are

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread Ivica Bukvic
I really don't see this as a problem. Do you mind saying why? The way I see it is it could be possibly because it feels good for a developer to see that the interest in their creation is increasing beyond the confines of the original platform, which certainly is good for the developer as an

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-21 Thread krautj
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:22:37 -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-). However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X world since there are no restrictions as to