[sorry edward - this post was incorrectly sent
to you first - it should have gone to the list]
> > tv-out:
> > the only tv-outs that came close to the FF´s
> > were epia´s
>
> Really? The epia has very high quality tv out? That's interesting
its IMHO better as every current gfx i got to
> tv-out:
> the only tv-outs that came close to the FF´s
> were epia´s
Really? The epia has very high quality tv out? That's interesting
As you point out the NVida has often so, so tv out quality, but I have an
MSI fx5200 which is pretty reasonable if you tweak the settings. Visual
sharpness a
Hi Klaus,
sorry for writing as pm first, I didn't check, whether the return
address is set correctly.
Klaus Schmidinger schrieb:
> I really fail to see your point. If a company were to produce a *GOOD*
> full featured DVB card, with a firmware (if necessary) that really works
> and doesn't requ
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
>
> From: "Holger Waechtler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > like mentioned before: Full Featured cards an anachronism, I hope no
> > company will be so foolish to produce such a beast again for the mass
> > market.
>
> That's rather unlikely, as Microsoft's digital TV architectu
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 18:25:11 +0100, Alexandre CONRAD wrote:
> Let's finish this all the way through:
>
> cat ~/mbox | sed -e "s/\/misinformation/g" > /tmp/x && \
> cp ~/mbox ~/mbox.old && mv /tmp/x ~/mbox && \
> rm ~/mbox.old
For heaven's sake, take it offlist already :-)
PS. Th
From: "Holger Waechtler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> like mentioned before: Full Featured cards an anachronism, I hope no
> company will be so foolish to produce such a beast again for the mass
> market.
That's rather unlikely, as Microsoft's digital TV architecture only
supports "budget" cards which de
Holger Waechtler wrote:
...
$ cat ~/mbox | sed -e "s/\/misinformation/g > /tmp/x && \
mv /tmp/x ~/mbox
ok?
No.
Except for the missing double quote that Klaus already pointed
out, this starts up one process too many.
Also, /tmp and ~ may lie on different file systems, which would
make the mv *v
And for the REALLY paranoid:
$ cat ~/mbox | sed -e "s/\/misinformation/g > /tmp/x && \
cp ~/mbox ~/mbox.old && mv /tmp/x ~/mbox && \
rm ~/mbox.old
Let's finish this all the way through:
cat ~/mbox | sed -e "s/\/misinformation/g" > /tmp/x && \
cp ~/mbox ~/mbox.old && mv /tm
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
s/\/misinformation/g
$ cat ~/mbox | sed -e "s/\/misinformation/g > /tmp/x && \
mv /tmp/x ~/mbox
ok?
*g*
Well, if you add the closing double quote, this might even work ;-)
oops, you got me! :)
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On Friday 21 November 2003 09:49 am, Holger Waechtler wrote:
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Holger Waechtler wrote:
> >>...
> >>
> ffmpeg contains a deinterlacer of pretty good quality. Give it a try.
> >>>
> >>>well, i doubt it can realy handle all mpeg2 wich may come from the sky,
> >>
> >>Pl
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Holger Waechtler wrote:
> >
> >>...
> >>
> ffmpeg contains a deinterlacer of pretty good quality. Give it a try.
>
> >>>
> >>>well, i doubt it can realy handle all mpeg2 wich may come from the sky,
> >>
> >>Please try it before rant
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
...
ffmpeg contains a deinterlacer of pretty good quality. Give it a try.
well, i doubt it can realy handle all mpeg2 wich may come from the sky,
Please try it before ranting and distributing lies and underdone ideas.
Holger, could you please
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> ...
> >> ffmpeg contains a deinterlacer of pretty good quality. Give it a try.
> >>
> >
> > well, i doubt it can realy handle all mpeg2 wich may come from the sky,
>
> Please try it before ranting and distributing lies and underdone ideas.
Holger, could you please
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Holger Waechtler wrote:
> >
> >>Oliver Endriss wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >
> >>>
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> ...
> > ? Hm, I think you got me wrong.
> > If I may choose between two comparable cards,
> > - one card with a closed-source firmware and
> > - another card with a complete open-source driver
> > I would definitely select the second one, even if it is more expensive.
>
> >> ffmpeg contains a deinterlacer of pretty good quality. Give it a
> >> try.
> >>
> >
> > well, i doubt it can realy handle all mpeg2 wich may come from the
> > sky,
>
> Please try it before ranting and distributing lies and underdone
> ideas. End even when it has problems then they are proba
> I don't need all that "eye candy"
> stuff that's often talked about. What counts most is functionality, not
beauty.
> After all, what I want to use this for is watching TV, recording stuff and
> replaying it. Whether or not the OSD menus have thousands of colors, a
> "graphical" interface (I neve
> > http://www.dvbshop.tv/ has the TT dvb-t card for 103.90 Euro.
> >
> > A little googling for "dvb-t Hauppauge" at google.co.uk
> > shows it e.g. at www.kelkoo.co.uk for 70.81 pounds
> > or at http://web6.scan.co.uk/Products/Info.asp?WPID=9833 for 62.28
pounds.
>
> Satellite cards are even cheape
Steffen Beyer wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:22:12 +0100
Holger Waechtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
All the mentioned cards are supported by the linux driver and behave
like a TT Nova card.
the work is done, at least on the kernel driver side.
Hmm, do you mean that the kernel driver works flawl
Oliver Endriss wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 20:56, Holger Waechtler wrote:
Oliver Endriss wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been publ
Lauri Tischler wrote:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
like mentioned before: Full Featured cards an anachronism, I hope no
company will be so foolish to produce such a beast again for the mass
market.
Do you mean that if I want to make a set-top-box, I need to mess
with DXR or framebuffers or matrox o
Onno Kreuzinger wrote:
There is no advantage except that these cards are really cheap.
?!? sorry, I don't understand you. They do their job and are cheap,
isn't this advantage enough?
well you save 100€, but loose one pc, or at least quite some resources,
esp. if you actually do what you prom
Holger Waechtler wrote:
like mentioned before: Full Featured cards an anachronism, I hope no
company will be so foolish to produce such a beast again for the mass
market.
Do you mean that if I want to make a set-top-box, I need to mess
with DXR or framebuffers or matrox or some crappy tv-out or
Onno Kreuzinger wrote:
Urg i hate sending mail wrong, but it happened again
Holger Waechtler schrieb:
Onno Kreuzinger wrote:
I was mainly thinking of df-gp, the first VDR patch I know that
worked on the frambuffer (http://df-gp.sourceforge.net/). The first
NEWS entry is now about 19 months old
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Oliver Endriss wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
and the drivers you
Steffen Beyer wrote:
based cards? I can't do real testing because the DXR3 driver has no 2.6.0
support yet.
2.6 support is not yet in the main dxr3 codebase, but there are patches
available. There is a copy of the patch which I use at
http://www.jburgess.uklinux.net/linux-2.6.0-test9-dxr3.pat
On Thursday 20 November 2003 20:56, Holger Waechtler wrote:
> Oliver Endriss wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >
> >>From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>>Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >>>
> AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never b
Klaus Schmidinger schrieb:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Oliver Endriss wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
and the driver
Urg i hate sending mail wrong, but it happened again
Holger Waechtler schrieb:
Onno Kreuzinger wrote:
I was mainly thinking of df-gp, the first VDR patch I know that
worked on the frambuffer (http://df-gp.sourceforge.net/). The first
NEWS entry is now about 19 months old.
df-gp suffers from ex
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Oliver Endriss wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >
> >>From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>>Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >>>
> AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
> and th
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> >
> >>From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>>Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
> >>>cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
> >>>and maint
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:22:12 +0100
Holger Waechtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All the mentioned cards are supported by the linux driver and behave
> > like a TT Nova card.
>
> the work is done, at least on the kernel driver side.
Hmm, do you mean that the kernel driver works flawlessly, ev
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
and maintaining a driver is always a combin
Oliver Endriss wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
and the drivers you have now are the result of guessing and reverse
engi
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
and maintaining a driver is always a combination of guessing and rev
On Thursday 20 November 2003 15:59, Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> > > AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
> > > and the drivers you have now are the result of guessing and reverse
> > > engin
Niklas Peinecke wrote:
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> >>
> >>AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either, and
> >>the drivers you have now are the result of guessing and reverse
> >>engineering. I don't see why this shouldn't be repeated for more
> >>up-to-date
> >>designs t
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
and maintaining a driver is always a combination of guessing and rev
From: "Klaus Schmidinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Robert Schlabbach wrote:
> > AFAIK, the specs for the TT designs have never been published either,
> > and the drivers you have now are the result of guessing and reverse
> > engineering. I don't see why this shouldn't be repeated for more
> > up-to-d
Robert Schlabbach wrote:
>
> From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
> > cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
> > and maintaining a driver is always a combination of guessing and reverse
> > e
From: "Niklas Peinecke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Indeed, but this raises another question: For most of these modern
> cards the manufacturers do not publish the full specs, thus writing
> and maintaining a driver is always a combination of guessing and reverse
> engineering. IMO the "reference" card s
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Ralph Metzler wrote:
Edward Wildgoose writes:
> > > 299 EUR isn't really the price someone would pay for such a
card. More
> > > common are prices around 200 EUR. I have asked at such a store
and was
> > > told that they sell one in a half year.
> >
> > Even this is
Ralph Metzler wrote:
Edward Wildgoose writes:
> > > 299 EUR isn't really the price someone would pay for such a card. More
> > > common are prices around 200 EUR. I have asked at such a store and was
> > > told that they sell one in a half year.
> >
> > Even this is more than twice the price y
> The "funny" thing is that you can buy a full av7110 based set top box
> for 150 Euro (sometimes cheaper), but the DVB-S/C cards are still
> sold for 299 Euro here at Saturn. I would be happy if VDR were designed
This is more due to Saturn and other chains having lost contact to
market reality in
Edward Wildgoose writes:
> > > 299 EUR isn't really the price someone would pay for such a card. More
> > > common are prices around 200 EUR. I have asked at such a store and was
> > > told that they sell one in a half year.
> >
> > Even this is more than twice the price you have to pay for a
> > 299 EUR isn't really the price someone would pay for such a card. More
> > common are prices around 200 EUR. I have asked at such a store and was
> > told that they sell one in a half year.
>
> Even this is more than twice the price you have to pay for a modern
> state-of-the-art DVB card.
I w
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2003 04:15 schrieben Sie:
Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the
> > main platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download
> > volume every new version of t
Ralph Metzler wrote:
Hi,
Holger Waechtler writes:
>
> btw: Klaus, you know that the code responsible for synchronisation
> issues in the firmware is at least as complex as the code doing the same
> in ffplay.c. So everybody who believes he can fix those problems in the
> firmware if he ha
Onno Kreuzinger wrote:
I was mainly thinking of df-gp, the first VDR patch I know that worked
on the frambuffer (http://df-gp.sourceforge.net/). The first NEWS
entry is now about 19 months old.
df-gp suffers from exactly the problems i expected, 1st: only Matrox
tv-out cards are suffcienty good
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2003 02:19 schrieben Sie:
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Dienstag, 18. November 2003 23:16 schrieben Sie:
Hi Klaus,
don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work. But I'm pretty angry
about the situation that VDR is (I don't care whether willingly or
not
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Holger Waechtler wrote:
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| ...
| Modern fanless Mainboards like the VIA Epia boards in the Hush-box have
| much more CPU power and also some MPEG decoder helper functionality
| speeding up the DCT on the CPU die (or was it on the graphics chip?).
| My
first sorry Holger, for sending that last pm, it was intended for the list,
please ignore it, my writing was not suitable for public anyways, sorry
once more.
The list should have reply-to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". This happened to
me so many times. All the other lists do that.
Regards,
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Alexandre
Hi,
first sorry Holger, for sending that last pm, it was intended for the list,
please ignore it, my writing was not suitable for public anyways, sorry once
more.
Holger Waechtler schrieb:
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Dienstag, 18. November 2003 23:16 schrieben Sie:
Hi Klaus,
don't get me wrong,
Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2003 04:15 schrieben Sie:
> Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> > Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > > Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the
> > > main platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download
> > > volume every new version of the "linvdr
Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2003 02:19 schrieben Sie:
> Steffen Barszus wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 18. November 2003 23:16 schrieben Sie:
> >>Hi Klaus,
> >>
> >>don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work. But I'm pretty angry
> >>about the situation that VDR is (I don't care whether willingly or
> >>not
Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> >
> > Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the main
> > platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download volume
> > every new version of the "linvdr" distribution causes (according to
> > Mirko Dölle) VD
Hi,
Holger Waechtler writes:
>
> btw: Klaus, you know that the code responsible for synchronisation
> issues in the firmware is at least as complex as the code doing the same
> in ffplay.c. So everybody who believes he can fix those problems in the
> firmware if he had only the source is
Steffen Barszus wrote:
Am Dienstag, 18. November 2003 23:16 schrieben Sie:
Hi Klaus,
don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work. But I'm pretty angry
about the situation that VDR is (I don't care whether willingly or
not) endorsing these troublesome and expensive beasts since years.
We have now a
Am Dienstag, 18. November 2003 23:16 schrieben Sie:
> Hi Klaus,
>
> don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work. But I'm pretty angry
> about the situation that VDR is (I don't care whether willingly or
> not) endorsing these troublesome and expensive beasts since years.
>
> We have now at least sin
> Well, as I always keep saying: just go ahead and write a plugin that
> implements an alternate output device, and you won't have to use a full
> featured DVB card any more. I get the feeling that you expect ME to do
this,
> but as long as my full featured DVB-S cards work as good as they do, I
>
Emard wrote:
issues in the firmware is at least as complex as the code doing the same
in ffplay.c. So everybody who believes he can fix those problems in the
firmware if he had only the source is as well able to write a software
decoder for VDR. And you know we can't release it. Sorry.
Right,
> issues in the firmware is at least as complex as the code doing the same
> in ffplay.c. So everybody who believes he can fix those problems in the
> firmware if he had only the source is as well able to write a software
> decoder for VDR. And you know we can't release it. Sorry.
Right, all th
Hi Klaus,
don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work. But I'm pretty angry about
the situation that VDR is (I don't care whether willingly or not)
endorsing these troublesome and expensive beasts since years.
We have now at least since about two or three years cheap and good
alternatives and t
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Holger Waechtler wrote:
> >>Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the main
> >>>platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download volume
> >>>every new version of the "linvdr"
Pekka Virtanen wrote:
> http://virtanen.org/files/vdr-test-0.0.1.tgz
I think there is a bug:
int64_t iPagePts = (int64_t) (Data[ 9] & 0x0E) << 29 ;
iPagePts |= (int64_t) Data[ 10] << 22 ;
iPagePts |= (int64_t) (Data[ 11] & 0xFE) << 14 ;
iPagePts |= (int64
Johannes Stezenbach wrote:
Pekka Virtanen wrote:
I have two computers, one with Full featured DVB-C the other with a
Budget DVB-C. I ran the same software on both computers, on the same
channel and the same time of course.
The software prints the video PTS on the console. The results are below:
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Holger Waechtler wrote:
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the main
platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download volume
every new version of the "linvdr" distribution causes (according to
Mirko Dölle) VDR must b
Edward Wildgoose wrote:
Well, if you can suggest an other full featured DVB-S card with TV out,
better (or at least equal) OSD capabilities and the ability to connect
a CAM, and which is also supported by the LinuxDVB driver, just let me
know ;-)
I had a vague impression that some of the Nova budg
> Well, if you can suggest an other full featured DVB-S card with TV out,
> better (or at least equal) OSD capabilities and the ability to connect
> a CAM, and which is also supported by the LinuxDVB driver, just let me
know ;-)
I had a vague impression that some of the Nova budget cards had a CAM
Johannes Stezenbach wrote:
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> >
> > Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the main
> > platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download volume
> > every new version of the "linvdr" distribution causes (according to
> > Mirko Dölle) VDR mus
Holger Waechtler wrote:
>
> Hi Klaus, hi everybody else,
>
> Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> > Ralph Metzler wrote:
> >
> >>Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> >> > Ralph Metzler wrote:
> >> > > Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> >> > >
> >> > > > The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watc
Hi Klaus, hi everybody else,
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
Ralph Metzler wrote:
Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> Ralph Metzler wrote:
> > Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> >
> > > The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watch
> > > at the same time (record with DMX_PES_OTHER to prevent
Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
>
> Well, AFAICS this "old hardware" is very widely used, and the main
> platform VDR is designed for. And judging from the download volume
> every new version of the "linvdr" distribution causes (according to
> Mirko Dölle) VDR must be rather popular ;-) So I guess this h
Ralph Metzler wrote:
>
> Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> > Ralph Metzler wrote:
> > > Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> > >
> > > > The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watch
> > > > at the same time (record with DMX_PES_OTHER to prevent this). However,
> > > > the DMX_GE
Ralph Metzler wrote:
> Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> >
> > I thought the TS packets are grabbed from the TPP before they
> > reach the decoder? So we should get unaltered PES?
>
> No, AFAIK, you cannot get all packets of the video PID before they reach
> the decoder. The TPP does all the writi
Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> Ralph Metzler wrote:
> > Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> >
> > > The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watch
> > > at the same time (record with DMX_PES_OTHER to prevent this). However,
> > > the DMX_GET_STC should give you correct values.
Ralph Metzler wrote:
> Johannes Stezenbach writes:
>
> > The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watch
> > at the same time (record with DMX_PES_OTHER to prevent this). However,
> > the DMX_GET_STC should give you correct values. Also, AFAIK the PES
> > header is not altere
Johannes Stezenbach writes:
> Pekka Virtanen wrote:
> > [...]
>
> Can you print that in hex to see if there is just one bit flipped?
Does not look like this is the case here.
> The av7110 destroys the adaptation fields if you record and watch
> at the same time (record with DMX_PES_OTHER t
Pekka Virtanen wrote:
>
> I have two computers, one with Full featured DVB-C the other with a
> Budget DVB-C. I ran the same software on both computers, on the same
> channel and the same time of course.
>
> The software prints the video PTS on the console. The results are below:
>
> FF DVB-C:
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