Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-26 Thread IW4DSU Chris
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Michele A Debandi wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, IW4DSU Chris wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Kai Schulte wrote: > > > > In a previous mail i read : "...Linux is multitasking..." Yes. > > > > And if I want to work on rtty () and play some music at the same time ??? > > >

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-23 Thread Michele A Debandi
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, IW4DSU Chris wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Kai Schulte wrote: > > In a previous mail i read : "...Linux is multitasking..." Yes. > > And if I want to work on rtty () and play some music at the same time ??? > Buy a KAM. (They are still on business, isn't it?) and hook it t

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Tom, I found the problem with hfkernel_kernel and hfkernel_user hanging. The Makefile statically links /usr/lib/libpthread.a in; if I change it to dynamically link in libpthread.so, it works fine! I will send a query to our libc6 maintainer so find out if this is a bug. It seems very strange to

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 01:48:21PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > hfkernel_user did not compile and you said to take it out of the Makefile? > Eh? It seemed that the compile error was in the kdrv... My mistake, hfkernel_user compiles fine. Unfortunately it seems to hang f

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-22 Thread Thomas Sailer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > hfkernel_user in user space + hfterm, or > > hfmodem driver in kernel + hfkernel_kernel + hfterm Correct. > hfkernel_user did not compile and you said to take it out of the Makefile? Eh? It seemed that the compile error was in the kdrv... Tom

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 08:05:42PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Why doesn't it work? You should be definitely using hfkernel_user... Oops, you said not to worry about compiling the kernel driver, not hfkernel_user. hfkernel_user compiles ok with the asm fix. It hangs on start up too :-( Same st

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 08:05:42PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > made the module insert. When I run hfkernel_kernel, it blocks waiting > > for a signal and does not seem to create the socket and hfterm > Eh? Why do you think so? It's not apparent from the strace below. N

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > made the module insert. When I run hfkernel_kernel, it blocks waiting > for a signal and does not seem to create the socket and hfterm Eh? Why do you think so? It's not apparent from the strace below. > hfkernel_kernel: > > [...] > uname({sys="Linux", node="hamishpc", .

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 02:56:35PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > That is the kernel driver, which shouldn't be needed either, so > please remove it also. OK I got the kernel driver to compile by getting the first line fixed from the hf.tar.gz distribution, and the second from your post on this li

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 02:56:35PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > That is the kernel driver, which shouldn't be needed either, so > please remove it also. The driver in the 2.2.12 kernel source does not compile for me either :-( refclock.c: In function `hfmodem_refclock_current': refclock.c:136:

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 02:56:35PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > That is the kernel driver, which shouldn't be needed either, so > please remove it also. I used "make hfterm hfkernel_kernel", is that what you mean? hfkernel_user does not compile. hfterm and hfkernel_kernel do compile just fine th

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
IW4DSU Chris wrote: > And what about using the Baycom-like demodulator (a TM3105 i think) or > another to de/modulate the rtty signals (as well as packet i think :) )??? You mean something like a DJ6HP filterconverter? Could be done, with a kernel driver, but I haven't done it. But you don't rea

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
Joop Stakenborg wrote: > Look for a line like: > __asm__("mull %1" : "=d" (tmp2) : "m" (scale_rdtsc), "a" (tmp0) : "ax"); > and replace it by: > __asm__("mull %2" : "=d" (tmp2), "=&a" (tmp0) : "m" (scale_rdtsc)); Still not quite correct: __asm__("mull %2" : "=d" (tmp2), "=&a" (tmp0) : "m" (scal

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-21 Thread Thomas Sailer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > I am having some problems with compilation though: > > * "make dep" wants to use utils/testgaussian.c which doesn't exist. I forgot to remove this target from the makefile, testgaussgen isn't necessary. > cc -DMYCALL=\"N0NE\" -g -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -ffast-math

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread Joop Stakenborg
On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 02:39:51PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > But the show-stopper: > > cc -DMYCALL=\"N0NE\" -g -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -ffast-math >-I/local/home/hamish/tmp/hf/include -I/local/home/hamish/tmp/hf/app >-I/local/home/hamish/tmp/hf/proto -I/local/home/hamish/tmp/hf/l1

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread IW4DSU Chris
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Kai Schulte wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Thomas Sailer wrote: > > > Does the hamcomm interface have a demodulator (like the DJ6HP > > filter converter) or is it really just a zero crossing detector? > > Yes, it is just an op-amp. All it does is amplify the input and cu

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 03:33:13PM +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Check out www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/ham/linux/hf.html > for a Linux version that should work with most soundcards > supported by a sound driver with OSS interface 8-) Of course! I've looked at your page before but forgot to look no

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1999-10-20 Thread holotko
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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 08:56 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 08:16 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>>At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: At 23:19 10/20/99 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 08:56 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 08:16 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>>At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: At 15:33 10/20/99 +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: >>

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 08:16 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>>At 23:19 10/20/99 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:42:47PM +0200, Kai Schulte wrote:

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 08:16 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>>At 15:33 10/20/99 +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: > It's ugly and I've avoided bu

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 23:19 10/20/99 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >>>On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:42:47PM +0200, Kai Schulte wrote: It's pretty ridiculous by today's standards, but before sou

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 07:35 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >>At 15:33 10/20/99 +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: >>>Hamish Moffatt wrote: >>> It's ugly and I've avoided building one until now, but I haven't seen any software to do P

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 23:19 10/20/99 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >>On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:42:47PM +0200, Kai Schulte wrote: >>> It's pretty ridiculous by today's standards, but before sound cards >>> became cheap it was a very versatile fm-tool indeed

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 06:55 10/20/99 -0700, Steve Stroh (Lists address) wrote: >At 15:33 10/20/99 +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: >>Hamish Moffatt wrote: >> >>> It's ugly and I've avoided building one until now, but I haven't >>> seen any software to do PACTOR I on the soundcard (except >>> PSATOR and I don't have a PSA

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 23:19 10/20/99 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:42:47PM +0200, Kai Schulte wrote: >> It's pretty ridiculous by today's standards, but before sound cards >> became cheap it was a very versatile fm-tool indeed (provided you >> were dealing whith strong signals). > >It's ug

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1999-10-20 Thread Steve Stroh (Lists address)
At 15:33 10/20/99 +0200, Thomas Sailer wrote: >Hamish Moffatt wrote: > >> It's ugly and I've avoided building one until now, but I haven't >> seen any software to do PACTOR I on the soundcard (except >> PSATOR and I don't have a PSA sound card). Yet there is Tom's >> TERMAN93 which does PACTOR on

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread Thomas Sailer
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > It's ugly and I've avoided building one until now, but I haven't > seen any software to do PACTOR I on the soundcard (except > PSATOR and I don't have a PSA sound card). Yet there is Tom's > TERMAN93 which does PACTOR on a hamcomm-like modem ... Check out www.ife.ee.ethz.

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 02:42:47PM +0200, Kai Schulte wrote: > It's pretty ridiculous by today's standards, but before sound cards > became cheap it was a very versatile fm-tool indeed (provided you > were dealing whith strong signals). It's ugly and I've avoided building one until now, but I hav

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-20 Thread Kai Schulte
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Does the hamcomm interface have a demodulator (like the DJ6HP > filter converter) or is it really just a zero crossing detector? Yes, it is just an op-amp. All it does is amplify the input and cut the output off at rs232 signal levels (it is powered

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Tomi Manninen
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Does the hamcomm interface have a demodulator (like the DJ6HP > filter converter) or is it really just a zero crossing detector? The "original" hamcomm interface at least was just a zero crossing detector: a 741 connected as a comparator, output to DSR

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Thomas Sailer
Tomi Manninen wrote: > So it is possible to measure the time between interrupts accurately enough > to deduce the incoming frequency (accurately enough) at several kints per > second without killing the rest of the machine? Well, ok then, I stand > corrected. It's certainly much overhead, but it

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Tomi Manninen
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Thomas Sailer wrote: > Tomi Manninen wrote: > > > I have serious doubts that a HamComm interface (a 1-bit ADC using the > > serial port handshake lines) would ever work well under Linux. It doesn't > > work under Windows either, right? > > Eh? Why not? The same goes for the

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Thomas Sailer
Tomi Manninen wrote: > I have serious doubts that a HamComm interface (a 1-bit ADC using the > serial port handshake lines) would ever work well under Linux. It doesn't > work under Windows either, right? Eh? Why not? The same goes for the Baycom Ser12 modem, which works under Linux at 1200baud

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Tomi Manninen
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > So, if the hamcomm program for DO$ works well... why can't another > > program for Linux do the same as well ? :) > > Linux is not as real time as DOS because the system is multitasking. > However, anything that works in Windows should be possible i

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:04:19AM +0200, IW4DSU Chris wrote: > But, i've read also the Thomas's page and he writes: > > Since most HF protocols retain even bit synchronisation over transmission > cycles, HF controllers need a very accurate clock. > The CCIR SITOR specification calls for 20 p

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-19 Thread IW4DSU Chris
On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:58:08AM +0200, IW4DSU Chris wrote: > > Hi all, thisi is the first time that i write in this mailing list. > > > > I have a question . there is a way to operate rtty with linux whithout > > using the soundcard ??? For exa

Re: RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-18 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:58:08AM +0200, IW4DSU Chris wrote: > Hi all, thisi is the first time that i write in this mailing list. > > I have a question . there is a way to operate rtty with linux whithout > using the soundcard ??? For example using a "for dummies hamcom-like > interface"

RTTY & Linux : Possible ?

1999-10-18 Thread IW4DSU Chris
Hi all, thisi is the first time that i write in this mailing list. I have a question . there is a way to operate rtty with linux whithout using the soundcard ??? For example using a "for dummies hamcom-like interface" ? Thanks in advance...and 73.