Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 09:12:09AM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 08:16:11AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > Everyone loses from binary only modules. I point you again to > > http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html as well as > > http://lwn.net/Articles

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 08:16:11AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > Everyone loses from binary only modules. I point you again to > http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html as well as > http://lwn.net/Articles/162686/. No, only Linux vendors and users loose from binary only drivers. In

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 11:01:28PM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > ?, 30 ? 2006, 22:51, ?? ??? Muli Ben-Yehuda: > > Just because something is illegal does not mean people do not indulge > > in it. It does mean they shouldn't, though. In my humble opinion it is > > only a matter of

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Re: websphere and Fedora core 5.

2006-07-30 Thread Nzer Zaidenberg
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Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread paul
Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, paul wrote: Under GPL you can do whatever you want for yourself or your organisation (perhaps 'company' might have been a better word) BUT if you make it available to others you must make the source available in some format. Where do you take this or

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון, 30 ביולי 2006, 22:51, נכתב על ידי Muli Ben-Yehuda: > Just because something is illegal does not mean people do not indulge > in it. It does mean they shouldn't, though. In my humble opinion it is > only a matter of time until someone sues a distributor of a binary > only kernel module a

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, paul wrote: Under GPL you can do whatever you want for yourself or your organisation (perhaps 'company' might have been a better word) BUT if you make it available to others you must make the source available in some format. Where do you take this organisation or company

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 09:04:12PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:32:52PM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > > Dual licensing is subtle, but doable. I'm not sure what "totaly > > freeware" means from a license point of view, but OCO (more commonly > > referred to a

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread paul
Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, paul wrote: This has to be qualified - it is only "illegal" if you pass it onto someone else, for use only by yourself (or your organisation) you can do what you want. This is just wrong. There is no such thing as "organisation" in copyright laws. You

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, paul wrote: This has to be qualified - it is only "illegal" if you pass it onto someone else, for use only by yourself (or your organisation) you can do what you want. This is just wrong. There is no such thing as "organisation" in copyright laws. You are not allowed to p

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון, 30 ביולי 2006, 20:59, נכתב על ידי paul: > This has to be qualified - it is only "illegal" if you pass it onto > someone else, for use only by yourself (or your organisation) you can do > what you want. This is because of the first freedom granted by the GPL: the ability for you to mod

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread paul
Diego Iastrubni wrote: ביום ראשון, 30 ביולי 2006, 10:08, נכתב על ידי Gilad Ben-Yossef: Trust me, I work as a consultant to/with lawyers that provide legal advise for corporation of questions of licensing. The GPL does just what it was planned to do and does it very well, *including* having some

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:32:52PM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > Dual licensing is subtle, but doable. I'm not sure what "totaly > freeware" means from a license point of view, but OCO (more commonly > referred to as "binary only") is > *illegal*. http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread paul
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:13:24PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: To keep this relevant to Linux, there are also sorts of accomodations made in the Linux Kernel and applications for varying sofware licenses. Just because the Kernel itself is GPL, that does not preven

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:13:24PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 06:51:17PM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > > > "so murky and undefiend on purpose" - this is why I don't like GPL, it's > > not > > clear, and some parts of it can be understood differently by differ

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:13:24PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > To keep this relevant to Linux, there are also sorts of accomodations made > in the Linux Kernel and applications for varying sofware licenses. Just > because > the Kernel itself is GPL, that does not prevent someone from wr

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 06:51:17PM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > "so murky and undefiend on purpose" - this is why I don't like GPL, it's not > clear, and some parts of it can be understood differently by different > people. This is a piece of text written for lawyers and not programmers. > I

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון, 30 ביולי 2006, 10:08, נכתב על ידי Gilad Ben-Yossef: > Trust me, I work as a consultant to/with lawyers that provide legal advise > for corporation of questions of licensing. The GPL does just what it was > planned to do and does it very well, *including* having some parts so murky > and

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:08:01AM +0300, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > Trust me, I work as a consultant to/with lawyers that provide legal advise > for corporation > of questions of licensing. The GPL does just what it was planned to do and > does it very well, > *including* having some parts so mur

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 09:20:53AM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I would be curious to know how this is possible technically *and* legally, i.e., without violating the kernel license (GPL). Both Caldera (now called SCO) and SuSe sold distributions that were licen

Re: Are there non-free versions of Linux?

2006-07-30 Thread paul
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 09:20:53AM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I would be curious to know how this is possible technically *and* legally, i.e., without violating the kernel license (GPL). Both Caldera (now called SCO) and SuSe sold distributions that were license